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Old 06 August 2020, 02:54   #1
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Just interested what people use and what you think of these solder sleeve ones?

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Just interested what people use and what you think of these solder sleeve ones?

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Iíve tried those & just canít get on with them. The plastic always seems to melt before the solder. I prefer to use the adhesive lined heatshrink crimps.
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Iíve tried those & just canít get on with them. The plastic always seems to melt before the solder. I prefer to use the adhesive lined heatshrink crimps.

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If you get good quality items they are pretty decent and work well. The crimp heat shrink connectors are decent too as said.

Some people prefer solder, some prefer crimp! In reality, probably not much in it.
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I just can’t really see any advantage over using these compared to a decent adhesive heatshrink lined crimp.

I can see lots of disadvantages though...
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If you get good quality items they are pretty decent and work well. The crimp heat shrink connectors are decent too as said.

Some people prefer solder, some prefer crimp! In reality, probably not much in it.
You donít see any outboard engine manufacturers or car manufacturers for that matter soldering wires together...
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You donít see any outboard engine manufacturers or car manufacturers for that matter soldering wires together...
Iíve seen plenty of OE looms with solder. I will not disagree a good quality crimp is better, however Iíd argue a lot of crimps are done sub standard without the correct tools.
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Arancia crimps and solders knock the socks off anything anybody else can do...apparently.

Whilst I'm not really an Allye fanboy, I would agree that a decent crimping tool is a worthwhile investment.
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Iíve seen plenty of OE looms with solder. I will not disagree a good quality crimp is better, however Iíd argue a lot of crimps are done sub standard without the correct tools.
I donít think any manufacturer would solder crimps or terminals onto a wire? Maybe occasionally a wire soldered onto a PCB.
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I would agree that a decent crimping tool is a worthwhile investment.
Itís more the crimps themselves that are shite. Either use a heatshrink crimp or a double crimp that looks like this inside:



99.9% of the insulated crimps that donít have a see through cover are vinyl shite and should go straight in the bin. AMP PIDG crimps or Molex etc equivalents are the only ones worth using.
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[QUOTE=Allye;818383]Iíve seen plenty of OE looms with solder. I will not disagree a good quality crimp is better, however Iíd argue a lot of crimps are done sub standard without the correct tools.[/QUO

As said good crimping is an art that few have mastered ! in the late eighties i was a sales manager for amp ,we made our commision from rescueing disasters from bad crimping ,the amount of 1mm wire you saw in blue crimps was disbelief , in my first apprenticeship building control systems for offshore ,inline crimps were totally barred and close to a sacking offence ,getting two crimping actions correct together was seen as two potential failure points ,when on the road we collected crimping tools on a regular basis from brit rail and boeing ,to be sent back for spring calibration believe it or not .
Even today to make a good joint i would solder the wires together in an inline fashion ,put over a hellerman rubber sleeve and then ove all with a glue lined heatshrink ,and maybe even a second heatshrink over a bundle of wires ,this is mainly because the tyco (was amp ) heat shrinkable butt splices are too expensive ,even to this day and i have yet to find a better way
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Itís more the crimps themselves that are shite. Either use a heatshrink crimp or a double crimp that looks like this inside:



99.9% of the insulated crimps that donít have a see through cover are vinyl shite and should go straight in the bin. AMP PIDG crimps or Molex etc equivalents are the only ones worth using.
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Arancia crimps and solders knock the socks off anything anybody else can do...apparently.

Whilst I'm not really an Allye fanboy, I would agree that a decent crimping tool is a worthwhile investment.
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Iíve seen plenty of OE looms with solder. I will not disagree a good quality crimp is better, however Iíd argue a lot of crimps are done sub standard without the correct tools.[/QUO

As said good crimping is an art that few have mastered ! in the late eighties i was a sales manager for amp ,we made our commision from rescueing disasters from bad crimping ,the amount of 1mm wire you saw in blue crimps was disbelief , in my first apprenticeship building control systems for offshore ,inline crimps were totally barred and close to a sacking offence ,getting two crimping actions correct together was seen as two potential failure points ,when on the road we collected crimping tools on a regular basis from brit rail and boeing ,to be sent back for spring calibration believe it or not .
Even today to make a good joint i would solder the wires together in an inline fashion ,put over a hellerman rubber sleeve and then ove all with a glue lined heatshrink ,and maybe even a second heatshrink over a bundle of wires ,this is mainly because the tyco (was amp ) heat shrinkable butt splices are too expensive ,even to this day and i have yet to find a better way
The old man worked for AMP then tyco for decades, injection moulding though. - on anirrelevant side note.
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Just as an aside to the conversation. My expensive ratchet crimping pliers donít fit the heatshrink crimps supplied by both Kojaycat & 12V planet, although I suspect both come from the same factory. So Iíve had to buy some of the cheapo non ratchet type, much favoured by the boy racers of my youth. The heatshrink insulation is thicker than normal & the crimping pliers damage it.
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