Yamaha tilt and trim problem

earthdog1970 · 08 June 2013, 09:55

My Yamaha 40 hp tilt and trim has recently started working slowly and then stopping completely and then all that can be heard is clicking. I checked the battery, which still seems to be ok and spinning the starter over with ease, checked all the appropriate connections and cleaned them. I decided to lift it manually, started to remove the starter, on loosening the bolts, browny colour fluid came out, so I tightened the bolts back up, tried the switch and then it was working again. Following day I tried it several times, then again it started slowing down then stopped again and back to just clicking. I'm starting to think that maybe my motor is the problem and if so, does anyone know where I could obtain an after market motor, as was quoted nearly £800 for a replacement and don't really want to change it if this might not even be the problem.

AJ. · 08 June 2013, 10:02

Have you topped up the hydraulic fluid reservoir?

earthdog1970 · 08 June 2013, 10:07

no i have not, but would the motor not still be working, just not lifting?

AJ. · 08 June 2013, 10:14

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Originally Posted by earthdog1970

no i have not, but would the motor not still be working, just not lifting?

When I first got my boat same happened slowed up and then stopped. Worth a try before forking out on a new unit. Check the reservoir and if it is low top it up

earthdog1970 · 08 June 2013, 12:39

OK thanks for that ,i have some on the way and when i get it will give that a try.would still like to source a cheaper motor just in case if anyone can help.

ribber · 08 June 2013, 14:16

Do these electric motors have brushes, if so maybe new ones.

earthdog1970 · 08 June 2013, 14:37

yes I guess they would have, but the hard part would be getting hold of them.

earthdog1970 · 09 June 2013, 14:33

(NOT SO GOOD),turning but very slowly one way and a bit better the other can anyone help with finding a replacement .

neil.mccrirrick · 09 June 2013, 17:07

I'd bleed it first. Mine was exactly the same, bigger motor, topped it off and bled it a few times all good now

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yam man · 09 June 2013, 20:43

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Originally Posted by neil.mccrirrick

I'd bleed it first. Mine was exactly the same, bigger motor, topped it off and bled it a few times all good now

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Sounds like the brushes any electric motor works can source an replace these .

spartacus · 09 June 2013, 21:41

Sounds like work carbon brushes. Had a similar issue with my Tohatsu. Change rubber 'o' rings as a matter of course. Motor housing looks particularly corroded - would be worth treating that while you're sorting it.

Bucksribster · 09 June 2013, 23:25

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Originally Posted by spartacus

Sounds like work carbon brushes. Had a similar issue with my Tohatsu. Change rubber 'o' rings as a matter of course. Motor housing looks particularly corroded - would be worth treating that while you're sorting it.

Had a very similar problem with my yam 100 - see an earlier thread and photo. Turned out it was the tilt motor housing corroded and so the magnets were loose inside. The motor would start off tilting, then get slower and slower till it stopped. Yamaha do sell the housing alone, but it was still around £300.

If you do a search on fleabay, there is a guy in America that advertises trim motors for a very good price, but you would need to be able to wait for it to arrive.

ChrisA · 10 June 2013, 09:16

Had this problem with my 40hp Yam, the motor had corroded and the magnets were loose, stripped it and cleaned the inside of the housing araldited the magnets back replaced the brushes and screws for the brush holders. The brushes I cut down from some on a starter motor that were slightly bigger, cleaned the commutator and used RTV for rebuilding .All working fine again.

spartacus · 10 June 2013, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Bucksribster

Had a very similar problem with my yam 100 - see an earlier thread and photo. Turned out it was the tilt motor housing corroded and so the magnets were loose inside. The motor would start off tilting, then get slower and slower till it stopped. Yamaha do sell the housing alone, but it was still around £300.

If you do a search on fleabay, there is a guy in America that advertises trim motors for a very good price, but you would need to be able to wait for it to arrive.

I'm sure it can be repaired. Unless the armature is damaged or the magnets (housing) are loose it can be done. I've done the same job myself with a Tohatsu. They don't sell the carbon brush kits anymore - but I repaired it with brushes for a Honda CBR125 and a spring from Meccano!

Original thread here: http://www.rib.net/forum/f36/twatsoo...p-38278-3.html

Bucksribster · 10 June 2013, 17:26

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Originally Posted by spartacus

I'm sure it can be repaired. Unless the armature is damaged or the magnets (housing) are loose it can be done. I've done the same job myself with a Tohatsu. They don't sell the carbon brush kits anymore - but I repaired it with brushes for a Honda CBR125 and a spring from Meccano!

Original thread here: http://www.rib.net/forum/f36/twatsoo...p-38278-3.html

In my case, not only were the magnets loose, but the housing was completely corroded through

Surprising it worked at all, as it must have been full of water.

Chris Caton · 10 June 2013, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Bucksribster

In my case, not only were the magnets loose, but the housing was completely corroded through

Surprising it worked at all, as it must have been full of water.

hmmmmm..... i would agree, that does look a like a touch of corrosion, better to fix it on the bench than get stuck out on the wet stuff

earthdog1970 · 11 June 2013, 10:04

Well thanks to you all. After looking over everything you have all posted and faced with the cost of a new motor, I finally got up the courage to take the motor off and go in to it, as you can see it was bad but not as bad as it could have been, but how it was still running on and off I do not know. Got it off and apart, tipped out the water and got on with cleaning it. Spent a bit of time on the inside and outside, got it back together, gave it a paint and wow what a difference, its now spinning like a new one! Thanks everyone for your help.

Chris Caton · 11 June 2013, 10:18

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Originally Posted by earthdog1970

Well thanks to you all. After looking over everything you have all posted and faced with the cost of a new motor, I finally got up the courage to take the motor off and go in to it, as you can see it was bad but not as bad as it could have been, but how it was still running on and off I do not know. Got it off and apart, tipped out the water and got on with cleaning it. Spent a bit of time on the inside and outside, got it back together, gave it a paint and wow what a difference, its now spinning like a new one! Thanks everyone for your help.

sometimes the hardest part of a job is getting started, well done for sorting it out

least now you've got time to keep an eye on ebay etc to see if one comes up cheap you can keep as a spare

Dan Gurney · 11 June 2013, 10:52

V useful post and good pics. I think this is going to be coming round for me soon. Hopefully it'll keep going til the end of the season but the housing on my motor is as corroded as yours, and as previously posted I think the seals are leaking slightly too so I'll probably be looking at an overhaul in the off season.

spartacus · 11 June 2013, 12:23

Corrosion... wow it looks like the German Dornier they've just lifted out of the English Channel!

Glad you got it fixed!