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16 February 2013, 11:15
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Yamaha 5hp 5BS Piston Rings
Hi, so I have purchased some new Yamaha genuine piston rings for my Yamaha 5hp 5BS air cooled engine but I don't know which is which. One of the rings is green on the outer edge - is this the top ring or the bottom ring? I guess one is specifically for oil wiping?
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18 February 2013, 12:56
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Hi are they the same thickness?
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18 February 2013, 13:00
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They do look to be. It was only the colour/coating that I could see was different.
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18 February 2013, 13:01
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Yes I think so it was only the colour/coating that seems to differ -
Apologies double posted!
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18 February 2013, 13:46
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I wouldnt have thought it matters, being a 2 stroke and 100/1 they wont have a lot of oil to scrape.
Steve
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18 February 2013, 13:51
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Ok thanks. Is it worth getting it honed too prior to fitting? I can't see any physical wear though! I'm just hoping the problem was the rings! Problem was similar to that of a failed reed valve but it doesn't have one as its a three port design! Apparently exhaust coming out of air intake!
The old rings seem really loose around the piston.
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18 February 2013, 14:03
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I personally wouldnt. Your technically removing a little more of the cylinder. I would put them in rebuild it and run in at a minimum of 50/1. I think its absolutely suicidal running motors at 100/1 even though the manufacturer says its ok. You wont see a difference much of a difference between running 50/1 and 100/1
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18 February 2013, 14:15
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Ok thanks, I shall give it a shot - fingers crossed. Thanks for the help.
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18 February 2013, 15:44
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Some rings have t1 and t2 writing on them.
T1 = 1 and facing upwards
T2 = 2 and facing upwards
Hope this helps
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19 February 2013, 08:49
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1N and 2N are printed on my rings (good spot, thanks). The 1N is green whilst the 2N is the black ring. Any ideas?
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19 February 2013, 08:56
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1n top and 2 n bottom writing facing crown of piston. Locate rings in piston lactate pins this so the rings won't spin a catch a port forward facing arrow pston to exhaust
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19 February 2013, 08:57
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# port
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19 February 2013, 09:07
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Thankyou
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19 February 2013, 09:34
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Good advice Yam man
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19 February 2013, 18:12
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All working except it won't go above idle without stalling!
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19 February 2013, 18:17
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Carburettor needs a good clean or check carb gasket or inlet for leakage.
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20 February 2013, 15:03
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Thanks for all the info, I will check for leaks! Just a thought as its air cooled should I be using a different premix oil or will standard quicksilver 2 stroke oil do the trick?
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23 February 2013, 16:54
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Yam man has helped out loads - so thanks to his advice the engine is now running. I have stripped down the carb and rebuilt it but it still won't accelerate. I can't find any air leaks - if I spray carb cleaner all around the carb it still idles on. Only when some gets into the air intake does it splutter.
I'm stuck for ideas now. If anyone fancies a go at fixing it I would be forever in their debt!
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23 April 2020, 11:53
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Hi ! Recently i purchased an yamaha 5bs 661 5 hp 2 stroke air cooled and when i disasambly i found the engine was rebuild but he used an broken piston.Can somebody help me with a piston code ? Maybe something equivalent ? I will atached photos..I try to find a piston for about 2 month...
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06 July 2020, 22:53
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Hi did you manage to locate the piston part number im look for rings and gaskets myself and can't seem to find a supplier who stocks there's . Kind regards
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