Thinking of upgrading my 130 Honda to the Honda 150 VTEC Various Questions!!

Seamonstie · 07 June 2004, 15:30

I am in the early stages of thinking of an upgrade to my 6.55 mtr Ribtec.

I brought the rib new in January 2001, Honda 130 fitted with usual 5 year warranty. I paid aprox £22K. Including trailer. There is aprox 195 hours on the clock, the engine having been serviced in line with Honda's requirements.

My thinking is that with a new engine comes the new technology, a little extra speed and a new 5 year warranty.

Am I mad to be thinking of spending aprox £4000.00 on a project like this

What price could I expect to get for the 130, eighteen months left on warranty and what is the best place to try and find a purchaser?

Comments welcome.

Alan · 07 June 2004, 15:34

Is this a Camel Trophy RIB? If so then best solution is chop off the scaffolding and fit a Merc 200 Optimax for real performance!

Honda 130 should sell OK I'dve thought. What you put on it is your call but £4k for another 20hp doesn't sound like good value although the warranty would be nice. What about costing up a Opti or Suzy 140 4 stroke as well?

Seamonstie · 07 June 2004, 15:42

Same hull, but not ex camel, will cost other makes of engine, but warrenty counts for a lot to me. Any other 5 year warrenties around??

simmons0 · 07 June 2004, 15:48

I think its only the Honda's and new E-tecs that have a 5 year warrenty.

robin · 07 June 2004, 19:22

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Originally Posted by simmons0

I think its only the Honda's and new E-tecs that have a 5 year warrenty.

Sadly the Etec only has a 3 year warranty. No major service costs for those 3 years though.

gingercoastie · 07 June 2004, 19:36

I would be interested to see how you get on, after Saturday I hav a urning for more horses, in the region of the Suzuki 200hp or maybe more realistically the 140 which seems quite a good engine.

jackeen · 07 June 2004, 20:53

anyone know when the smaller 135 & 175 mercury verado is due to be out forgot to ask at the show

and has the honda 175 been updated ???

Rogue Wave · 07 June 2004, 22:17

Getting shot of the honda 130 is a damn fine idea. you might get 4 k for it, maybbe more if you sell it to an Irish person.they like em a loy out there!

The 130 is gutless and not a real 130 hp engine and frankly any upgrade is good news.

I have a Camel which has already lost it's 130 and I am about to take the frame off and stick an Optimax 150 on the back. I think the engine will go on before the frame comes off so we can have a fair compatison. I am expecting 5 more knots with the fram and about 10 without. what I am expecting is noincrease in fuel use.

The 150 are lighter and nore powerrful but I think there are better engines out there than Honda.

swginn · 07 June 2004, 22:32

Yep I'd have to agree. Hondas sell well over here and you will always pay more for anything in Ireland(thats why I buy from the UK!!). I wouldn't have one though. Is it true that Hondas aren't rated at the prop like other outboards and that a Honda 130 has in fact about 120 hp at the prop, or is this just a myth I've heard.

I have to say my friends Lencraft with a Honda 130 on the back doesn't feel like it has 130 horses driving it!!

Robert1 · 07 June 2004, 22:49

Robin,
How are you getting on with your e-tec?
Thanks,

Sorry for the digress Seamonstie.

jackeen · 08 June 2004, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

The 150 are lighter and nore powerrful but I think there are better engines out there than Honda.

what one - 4 stroke around the 150 mark

looking at it myself

heres a comparison - don't quite understand the consumpion comparisons at the end

http://www.yamaha-motor.nl/products/...ws/article.jsp

doesnt include the 140 suzuki
would the lighter weight 30 kgs apx make much of a differance

robin · 08 June 2004, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert1

Robin,
How are you getting on with your e-tec?
Thanks,

Sorry for the digress Seamonstie.

I'll pee em you.

mstacey · 08 June 2004, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingercoastie

I would be interested to see how you get on, after Saturday I hav a urning for more horses, in the region of the Suzuki 200hp or maybe more realistically the 140 which seems quite a good engine.

I luv my Suzuki 140, whisper quiet and goes like a dream IMO.

Has pushed my boat to 45 Knots 1 Up, regularly hit the 40Knot mark even with 180 litres of fuel on board. Cruises at 30 Knots with ease.

spitfire · 08 June 2004, 11:28

I´ve seen a test in a french magazine that has clearly shown a big gap between Suzuki 140 and the rest of the motors. In fact tey tested that the suzuki has 128 HP. Ask the disapointed boaters who changed from Suzuki 115 to 140 and noticed no difference.

By the way the Honda 150 won the test. Best engine in acceleration, fuel consumption and just not even 1 knot away in Top Speed from the fastest the evinrude 150 Dir Inj 2 Stroke. Yamaha and Honda where measured with
aproximately 159 HP.

The VTEC gives you a real boost. I personally have driven the BF 130 and the BF 150 and there is a big difference between those engines. In fact it was mounted on a aluminum Boat Buster Magnum but this makes no difference.

Get rid of the 130 and get the Honda BF 150 you won´t regret it.

Seamonstie · 08 June 2004, 17:11

Many thanks for all your comments. I will be changing the Honda 130 in the near future but what for is the question. I still like the 5 year warrenty but have a need for speed!! Time will tell.

Any ideas what a 3 1/2 year 130 is worth and the best place to advertise it.

swginn · 09 June 2004, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire

By the way the Honda 150 won the test. Best engine in acceleration, fuel consumption and just not even 1 knot away in Top Speed from the fastest the evinrude 150 Dir Inj 2 Stroke. Yamaha and Honda where measured with
aproximately 159 HP.

Find it hard to believe that the 4str Honda beat the 2str Evinrude, for acceleration!!

Was the Optimax 150 in the test??

The Jackeens · 09 June 2004, 07:15

the test in the link in my previous above, covers the following :

Evinrude 150 DI
Honda BF150
Mercury 150 Optimax
Yamaha Z150
Yamaha F150

yami and honda came off best it would appear.

Paul

swginn · 09 June 2004, 08:08

Interesting that this is on Yamahas website and that there were two Yamaha engines, so that they were bound to come out on top.

Just like in Mercury's figures here the Merc 150 beat the Yammy 150. Its all down to the manufacturer telling you what you want to hear!!

http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....+optimax+honda

You'd be hard pushed to find a totally independant survey in my opinion. Maybe we should have our own!!

The Jackeens · 09 June 2004, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by swginn

You'd be hard pushed to find a totally independant survey in my opinion. Maybe we should have our own!!

have to agree . For whats it worth the review was by a magazine so hopefully a little unbiased (chance would be a fine thing - to be sure to be sure)

Lies dame lies ans satistics.

Ya pays your money ......and makes your choice and six months later something else comes along.

I think it was Dirk who said " whats all the fuse about liesure craft and top speed." Most here seeem to be interested in fuel consumption first IMIHO against power

Its all marketing crap anyway- salesmen sales men salesmen.

Yes a Ribnet test programme there ya go JK. Maybe Tony will go first

P

John Kennett · 09 June 2004, 08:36

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Originally Posted by swginn

Interesting that this is on Yamahas website and that there were two Yamaha engines, so that they were bound to come out on top.

From what I can see there is no reason to believe that the report is biased. If Yamahas hadn't done well then Yamaha obviously wouldn't be preproducing the article on their site, but one of the other manufacturers probably would be.

The article seems to be very open about it's methodology and the assumptions that it makes. Having two engines in the test is no guarantee of success. Yamaha could have been the two worst which would have been really damning!

John