Outboard for Honwave T40 AE

elayard · 01 May 2015, 00:19

Hi All

I recently purchased a new Honwave T40 from a local dealer. I'm look to purchase an outboard to use on it. I did have 2002 Honda 15hp 4 Stroke but sold it due to very good offer.

Few factors to take into account:

1. Boat is deflated when transport
2. Used for fishing inland on lochs
3. Usually 2 person, fishing equipment, electric motor and battery on board

As I have been lugging around my previous motor (55kg) I happy to handle that weight.

I have been thinking either another 15hp or 20hp. 25hp I feel out be out of my budget. My biggest concerns is quality. As for brands I would rate them as follows:

1. Yamaha
2. Honda
3. Marina/Mercury

From a new price perspective Yamaha and Honda are similar with marina been slightly cheaper.

If anyone could advice me in going new vs second and what brands you would recommend.

Many thanks in advance! [emoji4]

blootac · 01 May 2015, 07:30

The Honda's, although fantastically built, are by far the heaviest (or were a few months ago when I was looking) of the 'portable' 4 strokes. I'm very happy with my new mariner which at the time was the lightest I could find.
The kill switch is very very nice, and the gear shift is built into the throttle.

elayard · 01 May 2015, 23:13

That's great to know blootac. Thanks

I've found a 2010 20hp used with around 100 hours on the clock for £1750. I feel that it's expensive considering I could get new Mariner for £2200.

Nos4r2 · 02 May 2015, 01:21

If it'll take it, consider a 25hp-you'll probably find a nice late (well, as late as 2 strokes get) 2 stroke for well within your budget and it'll make the boat a total animal.

How much is a 25 Etec btw?

dave3235 · 02 May 2015, 17:18

Hi all

Just aswell go for the 30hp mariner at 48 kg the same as the 20 and 25.

blootac · 02 May 2015, 17:21

Remember that there might be insurance implications for going over rated hp

elayard · 03 May 2015, 00:13

Nos4r2 - I have not had a look at Etec main reason being no local distributor.

I would definitely consider a 25hp or 30hp that's within my budget. It went fine with my 15hp but a 30hp would definitely make it more exciting. More time fishing and less time travelling to spots! [emoji108]

The T40 is rated up to 30hp I believe and I would not want to going over that.

Would anyone care to comment about the reliability of used 2 stroke vs 4 stroke? I know who and how it's has been used previously but in general terms.

blootac · 03 May 2015, 07:22

Uh oh

I'm sure I'll be corrected here, but here goes, IMHO....

2 strokes are simpler and you're more likely to be able to fix things at sea if things are to go wrong.
4 strokes are next to impossible to start pulling apart at sea except for plugs. They are a lot more complicated and a lot more moving parts to go wrong.
2 strokes are also a lot lighter.
2 strokes can also be put down on any side whereas as 4 stroke has to be on one of two sides only or it'll empty its oil everywhere.

However, in my experience, 2 strokes have been nothing but problems. They are a lot heavier to turn over if it's a recoil start and a lot more thirsty for fuel. You also have to worry about oil mixtures if it's a pre mix.

Having had this 4 stroke, despite people telling me not to consider a 4 stroke for the size, I'd never consider another 2 stroke.

I went for my 4 stroke because while it was heavier, it was also younger, easier to start, quieter, more fuel efficient and I knew the history of it (as it was brand new). The problems I was having with the 2 stroke have disappeared and now boating is fun again. There's nothing more depressing than an engine that keeps dying on you or is a pig to start.

That said im sure I've had a very bad time with 2 strokes. There's thousands of people who swear by them.
There's a reason why they are used commercially and for racing.

Im sure it's just my experience with this one engine that's put me off

elayard · 08 May 2015, 22:13

Just came across this 2 stroke which I'm planning on viewing tomorrow - http://www.donedeal.ie/view/9354734
Outboard engine Mariner 25 Hp s/s + fuel tank

Any thoughts on value and issues to look for?

dave3235 · 10 May 2015, 12:17

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Originally Posted by elayard

Just came across this 2 stroke which I'm planning on viewing tomorrow - Outboard engine Mariner 25 Hp s/s + fuel tankÂ*For Sale in Down : £850 - DoneDeal.ie
Outboard engine Mariner 25 Hp s/s + fuel tank

Any thoughts on value and issues to look for?

If you can get hold of a compression tester use that.AAlso have you looked at my thread in sibs IS IT UP TO THE JOB.WJOB, Worth a look.

elayard · 10 May 2015, 12:22

Thanks Dave!

bmb779 · 10 May 2015, 12:47

Four stroke is future proof,and no smelly clothes better mpg but heavier,probably more suited to trailered boat due to handling complications.

dave3235 · 10 May 2015, 17:03

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Originally Posted by elayard

Thanks Dave!

You didn't think much of having a 40hp on the back then.

elayard · 27 May 2015, 23:13

Well I have managed to pick myself up a 2011 Honda 20hp 4 stroke with less than 10 hours for £1800. It's in like new condition and only had one owner nice new. Very delighted!

blootac · 28 May 2015, 07:46

That looks nice! hasn't even got any chips on the prop! Good find!
Just be careful lifting the thing. Honda's are the heaviest you could have bought!
--edit--
Actually, just checked against the Mariners and the Honda you've got is 47KG dry, the Mariner is 52KG, which is surprising.
You're definitely going to need two people to lift that safely.
Get a trailer. your body will severely thank you and boating will be a LOT more enjoyable.
--/edit--

And make sure you run it in a bucket and are completely happy with all the controls before you go to sea.

Things to test:
Starting and stopping when both hot and cold
Kill cord both works and you know how to refit and restart the engine
Gear shift
Any points on the throttle that it's a bit non-perfect. Some of the smaller 4 strokes are fine going from neutral idle to in gear idle but if you accelerate too quickly will stall.
how the tilt system works including all the tilt and trim points and how to get it back down again.

dave3235 · 28 May 2015, 07:54

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Originally Posted by blootac

That looks nice! hasn't even got any chips on the prop! Good find!
Just be careful lifting the thing. Honda's are the heaviest you could have bought!

And make sure you run it in a bucket and are completely happy with all the controls before you go to sea.

Things to test:
Starting and stopping when both hot and cold
Kill cord both works and you know how to refit and restart the engine
Gear shift
Any points on the throttle that it's a bit non-perfect. Some of the smaller 4 strokes are fine going from neutral idle to in gear idle but if you accelerate too quickly will stall.
how the tilt system works including all the tilt and trim points and how to get it back down again.

I've got a number of a good chiropractor.Nice bit of kit,not my first choice though.

blootac · 28 May 2015, 07:59

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Originally Posted by dave3235

I've got a number of a good chiropractor.

Haha

two stroke mick · 28 May 2015, 13:02

I would arrange to have an engine like that bolted to the transom. I have had smaller engines work them self loose on a transom when usingthe hand tighten clamps on the saddle bracket. That engine looks new well wear.

TSM

blootac · 28 May 2015, 13:12

or just padlock/cable tie the thumb screw handles together