Mariner 9.9 - New 10hp outboard choice. - Page 3

Fenlander · 08 September 2018, 06:15

You could tell Seamark Nunn you can get one for £989-99 so could they meet you part way on a second seat??

https://www.elyboatchandlers.com/hon...ie2-inflatable

Bigplumbs · 08 September 2018, 07:01

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

You could tell Seamark Nunn you can get one for £989-99 so could they meet you part way on a second seat??

https://www.elyboatchandlers.com/hon...ie2-inflatable

Just got an email back from Ely about the seat and they say the second one needs the seat fixings gluing in place but in most pics they are there. That seems stupid to me and if correct looks like a way to force you to buy their seat which is well overpriced. If that is the case it annoys me as being unreasonable and I will look for another boat.

Have always had a very low tolerance to someone or some organisation trying to rip me off

Dennis

Fenlander · 08 September 2018, 07:11

I reckon pretty well every image I've seen of a T38 shows the second seat fixings already on. You can of course buy generic seat hooks to engage with the existing mounts and use any old plank screwed to them so probably DIY it for £20-£25.

Not sure I'd call it a rip-off as the SIB itself is a hell of a good price (as in £1500 cheaper than an Aerotec or Frib) and you have the choice to get the nice matching seat stumping up the £95, DIY or nor have the second one.

DIY discussed here... http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/need-a-...asy-58467.html

Max... · 10 September 2018, 08:53

Good report David and glad it's working out for you well.

nice consumption too - double what I've averaged on our Merc 15 2 smoke as 1.8 to 2.1 NM per litre.

It's funny how often (even after all these years) something *still* gets forgotten - first time out this year at sea spent an age in dumbfounded disbelief trying to start the engine - finally realised the plug leads were still off following winterisation...

Fenlander · 10 September 2018, 09:11

Thanks Max. This you back from your Europe tour?

Max... · 10 September 2018, 10:37

Yep, come summer I forget the 'net exists mostly - not used the boat much since Devon either (ie once!) - might try one last time at sea this coming weekend. I will downsize one day too as not so many years I think before my son (and boating buddy) moves on. As mentioned in another topic maybe a little Honwave and 6 or 8 for the Dart or I might even forget combustion and just go Kayak or SUP...

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:07

This T32 seems to be on the plane 2 up with some gear with a 6 hp !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiOWfgQkao0

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:10

Heck a T40 with a 9.9 on the plane 2 up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d35iaNrtB18&t=31s

Fenlander · 10 September 2018, 22:14

Re the Honwave 3.2 with 6hp...

Yep but he may only weigh 10st and her 8st meaning the outfit is carrying 10st less than you or I with partners. Weight is the killer for small OBs trying to plane.

Interestingly in the questions he comments he went up to a 9.9 Mariner the week after doing the video as the 6hp wasn't powerful enough.

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:16

Another T40 (Much Heavier than T38) with and old 9.9 Two stroke going well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6sXaSr48s

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

Re the Honwave 3.2 with 6hp...

Yep but he may only weigh 10st and her 8st meaning the outfit is carrying 10st less than you or I with partners. Weight is the killer for small OBs trying to plane.

Interestingly in the questions he comments he went up to a 9.9 Mariner the week after doing the video as the 6hp wasn't powerful enough.

I know what you mean but it gives me confidence for my 9.8 Tohatsu

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:20

Another T40 with 9.9 doing very well. Cant find so many T38IE's though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yMOm4Qpgi0

Fenlander · 10 September 2018, 22:23

And re the first T40 she's small and that's a slow plane. If you think about it that SIB is only 8" longer than our Aerotec and the extra weight of the alloy floor would be largely offset by her light weight. So if the inefficient V hull of the Aerotec will plane at 14kts with a 9.9 no reason why his wouldn't.

Fenlander · 10 September 2018, 22:27

>>>gives me confidence for my 9.8 Tohatsu

Yep like my outfit is now I think you find you'll plane with a 3.2 or 3.8m Honwave but it won't jump onto the plane in seconds between waves like the 20hp motors will.

Satisfactory but not manic I'd call it.

Fenlander · 10 September 2018, 22:44

Perhaps you'd like an electric powered T38? It's spookily quiet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX9yQi8XIdY

Bigplumbs · 10 September 2018, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

>>>gives me confidence for my 9.8 Tohatsu

Yep like my outfit is now I think you find you'll plane with a 3.2 or 3.8m Honwave but it won't jump onto the plane in seconds between waves like the 20hp motors will.

Satisfactory but not manic I'd call it.

As my motor is only 27 KG to lift about I think I will risk/go with satisfactory

Fenlander · 23 October 2018, 22:33

First service back at the supplying dealers today. An optional 3mth/20hr service which I had carried out as it is just finished running in and will give it clean oils for the winter lay up.

After my last experience with the supplying dealer of my previous Suzuki being less than truthful about the first service cost I was pleased what a decent guy this Peterborough dealer is.

When I collected the Mariner 9.9 new about 3mths ago he said this first service would be about £45. Being experienced in the rapid inflation the Suzuki dealer had applied between quote and actual invoice for my previous OB I had £80 in my pocket. Not needed... the invoice in this case was £43-80. Oils and grease plus 0.5hr labour at £45/hr.

With that sort of sensible price and honesty you don't mind taking it in.

Fenlander · 23 October 2018, 23:20

So all's good now but there has been a perplexing incident with this motor I didn't want to post until I knew what the issue was.

Initial running-in trips were on the river where starting, trolling etc were perfect. Next trip on a moderate sea it started fine and idled at the pontoon then trolled through the moorings fine... but after a few Nm on the plane as I throttled back at our destination it died and took about 20 pulls to restart. I was thinking kinked fuel hose, tank vent etc but couldn't really see anything and as when it did restart it behaved perfectly... as it did when starting and running in the bin at home to flush the next day... put it down as one of those odd glitches.

Then it sat for a month until the next trip to the coast the other weekend. Well it was an utter pig to get running starting on full choke then dying as soon as the choke was pushed home unless the revs were held above 2000rpm.

So I warmed it up for about 5mins at the slipway when it idled OK. Got in and powered off.... for about 10ft until it died and refused to restart. It was force 5/6 blowing away from the slipway so I was rapidly taken down the moorings until I could grab a moored boat. Took about 5mins to get it going again then it ran perfectly going to the pontoon to collect Mrs F. Went fine through the moorings and to open sea where we were on 1/2 to full throttle in rough water. Spent enough time out to prove the new transom mod to stop the Aerotec splash worked well and came back to meet daughter at pontoon. As I came round into wind and took the power right off to tie up it stalled and we were blown down the estuary just managing to grab the second boat we passed with the boathook.

Spent 20mins trying to start pulling the plugs and checking everything. Getting a bit frustrating as we'd have to radio for a tow as the slipway direction was dead into the strong wind. But finally it started and before it died I snatched forward and off at 3000rpm to the slip cutting with the stop button at the last moment and jumping ashore before we were blown out again. That was the end of our day.

So likely to be a fuel issue and a 6th sense urged me... despite it being under warranty... to investigate myself. As soon as I'd dropped the float bowl and taken the jets out found the problem. A greenish fine crystalline sludgy deposit on both brass jets/emulsion tubes blocking some of the tiny holes. Very much like deposits left behind by salt water yet no signs of contamination in the fuel. Very puzzling.

See image... deposit already cleaned off but located where indicated by screwdrivers.

Fenlander · 23 October 2018, 23:24

Next I took the top plate off the carb to give it a good jet through with cleaner and was surprised to find more of the deposit under the plate... and more important signs of salt deposits in the breather/drain pipe that connects to this plate.

Again image taken after it had been cleaned.

Fenlander · 23 October 2018, 23:27

This pipe was routed to an unknown position through the engine cowl baseplate so I took the plastic cover off the top of the leg to see the pipe terminating in that area... which was heavily salt encrusted.