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Old 02 June 2021, 17:03   #1
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Revalidating powerboat instructor qualification

My powerboat instructor ticket expired in 2004. Does anyone here know if it can be resurrected after this length of time, and if so what would I need to do? Or would I need to start from scratch?
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Old 03 June 2021, 02:28   #2
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Best to give the RYA training office a call, they're very helpful but I suspect you'll have to re-do the training as quite a lot has changed in the powerboat syllabus in that time.
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...as quite a lot has changed in the powerboat syllabus in that time.
Like DSC, AIS, Plotting GPS and the demise of 2 stroke oil?
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Like DSC, AIS, Plotting GPS and the demise of 2 stroke oil?
Don’t think an RYA PB2 covers any of that
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Don’t think an RYA PB2 covers any of that
And there in lies the problem with PB2.....
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Best to call the RYA and ask - 02380 604 100. They have really tightened up of late

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And there in lies the problem with PB2.....
Why is that a problem for a beginners course designed to give confidence to go out in local waters in reasonable conditions in daylight hours. None of those items mentioned apart from 2 stroke oil if you have a two stroke are required for the scenarios covered in pb2.
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John - with that length of elapsed time I'm afraid it's a case of start over again with the PreSkills assessment and then the 3 day Instructor course.
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Don’t think an RYA PB2 covers any of that
Can:
• Carry out pre-start checks, engine starting and stopping

Knowledge of:
• Use and limitations of GPS
• Engines and drives: advantages and disadvantages of outboard, inboard and outdrive units, single and twin screws, choice and use
of fuels

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• Distress signals and the Mayday call

So other than AIS I'd suggest it probably is all in the syllabus even if only very "lightly" - certainly I did my PB2 before JK "retired" and all of it was mentioned even then, although I am aware some instructors go off-piste/above-and-beyond!
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John - with that length of elapsed time I'm afraid it's a case of start over again with the PreSkills assessment and then the 3 day Instructor course.
John, I'd definitely call the RYA - I know a dinghy instructor who pre-covid was coming back to it after a long gap and whilst he did have to do some stuff am sure he didn't need to redo the whole thing. He would have been able to show both ongoing experience sailing and instructing other outdoor sports.
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Yes, it definitely never hurts to double check with RYA Training, but the guidance I have is that if it lapsed more than 2 years ago, it's start over again. And it's not like we're arguing e.g. 2 vs. 3 years here for a tiny bit of leeway due to e.g. COVID, but 17 years.

If you just let your Power qualification lapse, but are still an in date RYA instructor in another discipline, e.g. Dinghy, they may allow a slightly different option.

Let us know what the answer is!
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John, you'll need to redo the PBI course. I recently needed to revalidate my PWC instructor ticket having let it lapse through lack of use. (We just registered the motor yacht I run as an RYA PWC center hence suddenly needed it again). I was told if it lapsed within 18 months they'd revalidate it (due to COVID). Suffice to say I was over the 18 months and had to redo the instructor course.
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I did my PB2 last week with Steve @ Tec Rec, as recommended by you ribnetters.

A very good instructor with very deep knowledge, not just of ribbing, but of all things boat related and also teaching techniques too - I quite fancy a few more qualifications and I'll do them with Steve. Anyway @John, if you're going to re-do your instructors ticket, I recommend Steve.
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Not wishing to drift the thread but I recently found out that, post Brexit, my Commercially-Endorsed Yachtmaster Instructor Power and Sail ticket is no longer recognised by the Authorities here in the Republic of Ireland

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I have had a look at your RYA Yachtmasters which appears to have been commercially endorsed by a UK agency. Unfortunately, we are only able to revalidate licences issued by Irish Sailing, so therefore it would be a new application. An added complication to this is that we are, post Brexit, unable to commercially endorse any RYA qualifications.
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Not wishing to drift the thread but I recently found out that, post Brexit, my Commercially-Endorsed Yachtmaster Instructor Power and Sail ticket is no longer recognised by the Authorities here in the Republic of Ireland

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I have had a look at your RYA Yachtmasters which appears to have been commercially endorsed by a UK agency. Unfortunately, we are only able to revalidate licences issued by Irish Sailing, so therefore it would be a new application. An added complication to this is that we are, post Brexit, unable to commercially endorse any RYA qualifications.


That’s ridiculous, considering the ISA syllabi are just a copy and paste of the RYA ones (rebranded).
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Just in case anyone is wondering, I contacted the RYA and I’d need to redo the course but would be exempt from the skills assessment. If you are between 1 and 2 years out of date you just need to have someone observe you while you run a course.
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You gonna phone Steve?
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If I decide to go ahead there’s a good chance he’ll get a call
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Thank John - good to hear at least the PreSkills is waived!
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