OHP or Not

Rogue Wave · 18 December 2005, 19:40

I am just coming to the end of equipping our new training rooms it's fairly well specced but it's mostly modern stuff, monitors projector etc. Do any of you trainers out there still use an OHP or know of any trainers that do!

i.e should I get one for the new place

Jimbo · 18 December 2005, 19:44

New classroom looks awesome stu, better equipped than a lot I've seen!

I don't use an OHP myself - and only use Powerpoint for VHF & First Aid, but I know a lot of people still do. I'd be inclined to see if you can pick up one of those fancy computer ohp things that will plug into your projector - no idea how pricey they are though?

Is your classroom going to be available for hire to other groups? Looks like the sort of place I'd like to run some courses...

Tim M · 18 December 2005, 20:08

Jimbo, it's called a visualiser. I have seen them on ebay for less than a hundred quid.....

MikeCC · 18 December 2005, 22:29

This sort of thing
Sadly this ones gone, but seems to be lots in USA. Perhaps not so popular here?

Good luck with the rest of the kitting out.

Jon Brooks · 19 December 2005, 07:44

Stu

I would agree with Jim, those visualisers are very good.
Have used one a number of times.
Give you the combination of an OHP and a LCD projector with some added bits.
You can place things like EPIRB's flares etc on it and enlarge for the whole class to see.

Well worth the investment for a busy school.

Regards

laser · 19 December 2005, 12:03

speak to the uni, jimbo as they will be able to tell you where to get them from.

Rogue Wave · 19 December 2005, 21:03

Thanks for the info guys, I know what a visualiser is but I don't think the room needs to project something that can be handed around. The rya says 3 per instructor so the room has been set up to hold 9 students Max and I figure you can hand something around quite easily!

What I was really trying to find out, and I gurss I didn't word it well, was whether any instructors out there still use foils?

Jimbo thanks for the comments, yep it is available for hire, we have enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with Fluid Tuition for a year or so now and are happy to extend the facilities to other Skools and instructors! That's one of the reasons we have tried to do it right, I wanted it to be well specced but I think putting a lectern in was over the top

Duck-2-Water · 19 December 2005, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

What I was really trying to find out, and I gurss I didn't word it well, was whether any instructors out there still use foils?

stu, i haven't seen an ohp being used on a course for 5 years or more an i haven't used one for longer than that.

hope that helps!

roycruse · 19 December 2005, 21:56

They had an OHP on my VHF course I took this summer - but then they are a bit slow down here - modern technology takes a while to catch on...

It was painful watching being used - with the crappy scratched acetates etc...

Power point presentation and a DLP projector all the way if you want to "project" a professional image (excuse the pun)...

Rogue Wave · 19 December 2005, 21:58

Thanks Paul, I hope you and the Family are well!

I don't really want to have to buy Old technology unless I have to.

cheers

tim griffin · 20 December 2005, 07:23

Jimbo if you are going to hire a classroom for VHF tuition then that classroom has to be on your ground station licence it is not mobile.Unless the classroom is belonging to a RYA Training Centre that offers Vhf then it would be more cost effective to employ you as a freelance instructor.

Oh OHP great for Radar though a visualizer would be nice.How much are they???

Rogue Wave · 20 December 2005, 08:51

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Originally Posted by tim griffin

Oh OHP great for Radar though a visualizer would be nice.How much are they???

Tim, Unless Jimbo is talking about some other wonder project then a Visualiser is just a Document camera on a gooseneck. You Digicam with a Macro lens should do the Job very well. If you want a purpose built one however then they start from about 250 kwid USB versions start at 300.

Mind you I guess it saves a lot of messing about and it's certainly cooler than an OHP and less Noisy

Jon Brooks · 20 December 2005, 09:31

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Originally Posted by tim griffin

Jimbo if you are going to hire a classroom for VHF tuition then that classroom has to be on your ground station licence it is not mobile.Unless the classroom is belonging to a RYA Training Centre that offers Vhf then it would be more cost effective to employ you as a freelance instructor.

Oh OHP great for Radar though a visualizer would be nice.How much are they???

Tim

From talking to Joe Darrel at Ofcom a little while back my understanding is that they understand that many instructors travel about.
To this end they have or are going to change the need for the licence to only be used at one location.

Be worth double checking with them first though.

Regards

tim griffin · 20 December 2005, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Jon Brooks

Tim

From talking to Joe Darrel at Ofcom a little while back my understanding is that they understand that many instructors travel about.
To this end they have or are going to change the need for the licence to only be used at one location.

Be worth double checking with them first though.

Regards

Hi Jon

My ground station licence that stipulates training ( Which you need if using live radio's) is for my class room and I had to submit my lat and long on the licence along with the address . I know some Instructors are mobile but they should check their ground station licence ,no where does it say this is a mobile licence .I am not sure how you stand if only using a simulator but schools should have a minimum of 1 live training set. I raised the point because if you are a freelance instructor employed by a RTC, then the RTC has to be recognised for running VHF courses . I hope no one is mobile and running courses up and down the county as it defeats the object of becoming a RTC.

Jon Brooks · 20 December 2005, 10:37

Tim

At the time of the chat with Joe the letter had not been sent out telling schools they must have live radio simms.
There were, at the time, a large number of instructors who freelance all over for various RTC's, some of these people had already purchased live radio simms.

It was for these people that the question was raised.

Now that all schools must have live radio simms by Sept 2006 this caviat
will not be needed after then.

Although a huge number of schools have brought simms since the letter went out there will still be some that will not until the last min.
These will no doubt be the ones using freelance guy's and girls who have there own kit.
So at this time there is still a need for people to be able to take thiers simms with them and use them where they are teaching on that day.

The students should not suffer from not having access to simms just because the school has not brought them as yet.
I for one would want to take mine with me as I know a vast number of other would to.

Also most, not all but most, will only buy what they have to as a min.
So if a freelance instrustor can bring and use his/her own kit along side the schools everyone wins.

I was asked by a number of people to look into this inc Alison.

Hope that clears the point a bit.
If not please give me a call, be easy to explain via phone me thinks.

Regards

tim griffin · 20 December 2005, 10:55

Sorry Jon

But on my Licence it states the address and MMSI Numbers my Radio's are not mobile are you saying you take your radio's with you when asked to work for another school. How do you get round the Licensing I would be worried about copping a fine . To be a RTC Vhf is one part of it . The Ground / Coastal Station licence is the other bit . It's abit like us telling students your radio must be licenced and so must you be to operate it .

Jon Brooks · 20 December 2005, 11:01

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Originally Posted by tim griffin

Sorry Jon

But on my Licence it states the address and MMSI Numbers my Radio's are not mobile are you saying you take your radio's with you when asked to work for another school. How do you get round the Licensing I would be worried about copping a fine . To be a RTC Vhf is one part of it . The Ground / Coastal Station licence is the other bit . It's abit like us telling students your radio must be licenced and so must you be to operate it .

No need for sorry

Yes yours may well do but plan are in hand to allow traveling to happen!!!!!!
If you request this the will look at your needs and adjust where needed.

I is great that your so on the ball and fully understand waht you can and can't do.
Trust me there are loads that don't!!

Regards

tim griffin · 20 December 2005, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Jon Brooks

No need for sorry

Yes yours may well do but plan are in hand to allow traveling to happen!!!!!!
If you request this the will look at your needs and adjust where needed.

I is great that your so on the ball and fully understand waht you can and can't do.
Trust me there are loads that don't!!

Regards

So until OFCOM change the rules are you illegal or not and will you have to submit the address of all the ground stations you intend to work at.

On the ball ,just trying to point out that you cannot at this moment in time be a mobile training unit if using live radios it stipulates in the licence and I quote

for your self and others who are on the ball

3. Equipment Use
(a) All radio equipment must be used only within and be rendered incapable of transmission outside of the building of the Licensee address

Jon Brooks · 20 December 2005, 12:22

Tim

The coast station licence is not a bulk licence.
They are done on a case by case basis.
YOU as in Tim may not because YOUR licence will not let you but if other have requested it may move about.
Until YOU change your own licence you can't travel.

That is my understanding from talking to the main man at Ofcom.
Joe Darrell worked with Mike Martin when Mike was still there.

Regards

tim griffin · 20 December 2005, 12:44

It is a point that needs to be cleared up, so you are saying that if you are a SCR instructor you can take your kit to another school and no problems because you will be covered under the School you are working for's licence, does that school submit your MMSI numbers for you to OFCOM, or are you saying that you are a RTC and can teach at other addresses becuase you contacted OFCOM and you can do so on behalf of the school that is employing you as a freelance Instructor . I would like to know as it could be very useful for me as when I work at other schools I use their kit I only take my laptop simulators as an addition to their equipment.