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Old 21 May 2016, 17:08   #1
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RRS/Shogun/ANO for towing?

in light of my ribcraft weighing a LOT more than i was told at purchase time i have been looking for a new tow bus for few months now. won't bore with all the details but kia sorento and grand cherokees are a no go, if you have other recommendations fire away.

i've found a REALLY nice RRS 2.7 v6 so not the fastest bus i guess (not driven it), but reliability worries me i have to be honest...air suspension....gulp!

the shogun 3.2DI elegance is less bling but has more toys (nav, rev camera etc) which the RRS does not. i assume will be more reliable but not as nice to look at?

if anyone has a RRS/disco 3 or shogun (or anything else?) of 2008 ish vintage i would love to hear how you find them.
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Old 21 May 2016, 18:20   #2
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Japanese is always going to be more reliable than landrover although usually heavier on fuel
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Land cruiser if you can find one, although heavy on fuel...... Will it be a daily driver & occasional tower? Or only used for towing duties?


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Old 21 May 2016, 18:39   #4
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won't be daily no, work is 35 miles away so be only for towing and general "good" car.

my current car (xtrail) is sitting at 49.9mpg so no matter what i change to will suck fuel wise so it won't matter what i get, i will just need to live with it.
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Old 22 May 2016, 02:10   #5
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Not thought of something more practical like a crew cab pick up?
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Personally I'd keep the Xtrail for 'good', and buy a cheap diesel disco/Trooper/Cruiser/Navarra/L200 etc.

If you're mostly using a car for towing the boat, it won't stay nice for long without a lot of effort. Damp gear, damp people, sand, mud etc take quite a toll on something that's not run regularly to dry out.
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I bought a SWB Shogun 3.2 DID new in 2004 , with reliability and great towing credentials as my main criteria . Apart from a new battery three years ago in that cold winter , it has never let me down . As NOs hints , it looked good for the first three years but now definitely more of a work-horse appearance .

In those twelve years I have had to change the rear discs twice , almost certainly through dunking in the briny , but few other hiccups . It has a 71 litre tank and I get about 280 miles if I'm towing or 360 miles if I'm not .

Some folk think they are a soft ride , with a bit of rolling in the bends , and I have heard " horror stories " of plastic tensioning gears giving up on the timing belt , but so far I would have no hesitation in treating myself to another.

I believe the SWB towing is restricted to 2.8 tonnes , and the LWB 3.5 , but when it comes to towing , just like the " Ronseal " advert , Shoguns do exactly what they say on the tin ..........
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Old 22 May 2016, 03:26   #9
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Disco 3 had reliability issues - had 2 of them and although everything was fixed under warranty it spent a lot of time in the garage.
Disco 4 is a different beast and I suspect the equivalent RRS will be the same. Had 2 and covered around 150k miles in them so far (cumulative) and only had to change consumables - tyres around 30k miles, disk pads and wiper blades. No issues at all.
Realistically you get 30mpg combined and that drops to 22 / 24 mpg towing.
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Unfortunetly the twin cab thing wont work for me, needs to be one big cabin.

The plan is a decent 4x4 for weekend driving and a 1000 quid special for the 70 mile work trip every day.
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I had a LWB shogun. It was a comfortable big bus and came with all the toys you'll ever need, it is really thirsty, I was getting under 20mpg most of the time. Mine may have been a Friday motor, I traded it in at 70'000 miles with rust appearing on all the door frames and a dodgy auto box.

I would say that it towed with ease.
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How heavy is the boat?

For the daily drive I have a works corsa van, 1.3cdti it does 500 miles to tank (small tank 45l) and is ok if it had ac and elec Windows I would be quite happy cheap as chips to maintain tyres are £40 corner! Just keeps going despite my better efforts just avoid the speed restricted ones...... But if your getting 50mpg from the X-trail then I would keep that and perhaps look at an older 4x4 for towing. Isuzu trooper perhaps very popular for dragging plant around. Or the pathfinder? The old Nissan patrol was a hell of a machine favoured by the UN along with the land cruiser


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The boat and trailer are 2000kg, the xtrail can tow 2200kg so it is legal but gonna kill the clutch sooner or later but I love this xtrail. Seen so many knacked grand cherokee I'm thinking of just living with the xtrail
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I have a 2010 shogan from new I have had 500 mile to the tank usually it's 420 towing 6 m rib around 320 to the tank mine has the new engine anything before that is thirsty done 117,000 now still s--t hot big old girl will pull a house down only down side I should have got the long wheel base for more room.

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The boat and trailer are 2000kg, the xtrail can tow 2200kg so it is legal but gonna kill the clutch sooner or later but I love this xtrail. Seen so many knacked grand cherokee I'm thinking of just living with the xtrail
Not so bad then,moving from the x-trail toa carp box for 70 miles a day will ruin you. I would keep the x-trail and buy a it a new clutch!

When its time to replace it then consider something with a beefier towing capacity.....
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The boat and trailer are 2000kg, the xtrail can tow 2200kg so it is legal but gonna kill the clutch sooner or later but I love this xtrail. Seen so many knacked grand cherokee I'm thinking of just living with the xtrail
That sounds like a good idea, better the devil you do know & a clutch is likely to be around £500 ish which isn't much compared to changing the car
Especially if your looking for a cheaper used example that your unlikely to know much about
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A clutch and dmf is about 600 quid plus fitting for the xtrail... I'm thinking a grand?

What is amazing to me is how little power these big 4x4s have. I have only driven a few 3.0crd cherokee models and a sorrento but my xtrail has a lot more power, Wish nissan put a v6 diesel and low range in these things.
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A clutch and dmf is about 600 quid plus fitting for the xtrail... I'm thinking a grand?

What is amazing to me is how little power these big 4x4s have. I have only driven a few 3.0crd cherokee models and a sorrento but my xtrail has a lot more power, Wish nissan put a v6 diesel and low range in these things.

How much power does your Xtrail have? And how much do the Cherokee and sorrento have?
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Wish nissan put a v6 diesel and low range in these things.
Isnt that a pathfinder lol? Nissan Pathfinder SUV review | Carbuyer (Navara with a clsoed back and 7 seats)

£600 for a clutch and DMF isnt bad.........
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How much power does your Xtrail have? And how much do the Cherokee and sorrento have?
Remap to 205hp and the cherokee is 215 I think and the sorrento felt like about 50! The problem with the cherokee was all 3 I bought or put a deposit on needed major work at 50k miles. Like diff and transmissions.

The pathfinder is a 4 cylinder 2.5, probably slow as heck too but it has low range auto box. The auto xtrail can only tow 1500kg
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