One for the Softies - Page 3

Andy Moore · 08 November 2005, 10:09

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Originally Posted by roycruse

Aghhhhhhh get a grip.

Apple Ipods are a huge success for one reason only - MARKETING

Yes they are great players - fantastic even.

But there are loads of other great mp3 players.

http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/ for a start - these guys were making mp3 players when apple were still struggling to sell there Macs and mobile audio was just a twinkle in their R&D departments eye.

iPods ar a success largely due to word-of-mouth. They do what they say they will do, and do it very well. The design is *spot on*. Far better than that Creative cr*p.

And as for marketing? What marketing? The odd TV advert? A poster here and there? Come on, admit it. iPods are the benchmark.

roycruse · 08 November 2005, 10:21

Whatever

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Andy Moore

iPods ar a success largely due to word-of-mouth. They do what they say they will do, and do it very well. The design is *spot on*. Far better than that Creative cr*p.

And as for marketing? What marketing? The odd TV advert? A poster here and there? Come on, admit it. iPods are the benchmark.

Are you real????

IPODs are bought by people who don't even KNOW there are other MP3 players out there!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4417344.stm

Have a look at this class action lawsuit if you think they are so great!!!

IPODs are way over rated and way over priced for what they are!!!

Andy Moore · 08 November 2005, 12:26

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Originally Posted by codprawn

IPODs are way over rated and way over priced for what they are!!!

Don't make me laugh.

Go on then...name a better player.

Jono · 08 November 2005, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Andy Moore

Don't make me laugh.

Go on then...name a better player.

Well.... my little 'n cheap Sony thingy was still playing my tunes last weekend on my little 'bike trip into France/Belgium whilst my mate with his techno Ipod thingy spent his time humming to himself as it crashed...again...

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Andy Moore

Don't make me laugh.

Go on then...name a better player.

Just open your eyes a bit and look around

http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/prod_442.asp

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...ive_zen_micro/

And in what way do you define better?

Copy protection and all the other crap is NOT the way to go!!! All I want is a player that will handle files I want it to handle all the time and transfer where I like when I like.

Personally I use my SPV500 phone - does a great job and I have a 2gb card in it - ample!!!

Andy Moore · 08 November 2005, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Jono

Well.... my little 'n cheap Sony thingy was still playing my tunes last weekend on my little 'bike trip into France/Belgium whilst my mate with his techno Ipod thingy spent his time humming to himself as it crashed...again...

Model of Sony?

Jono · 08 November 2005, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Andy Moore

Model of Sony?

How the feck would I be expected to remember that? I struggle with modern technology at best...... It's blue... if that's any help.....Oh and it's round...

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 12:44

To be honest I have big reservations about anything Sony makes other than their cameras and TVs - their DVD players will only play genuine discs - their cd players don't like copied discs and have you seen the spyware shit they have put on their latest album that infects your PC worse than any virus?

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,3...9235149,00.htm

Disgusting!!!

Jono · 08 November 2005, 12:47

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Originally Posted by codprawn

- their DVD players will only play genuine discs - their cd players don't like copied discs !

Copyright protection? Is that an issue for you?

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Jono

Copyright protection? Is that an issue for you?

I would have thought it would be for most people - or have you never burnt a CD compilation from other disks in your collection??? Ones you have of course purchased legitmately!!!

Jono · 08 November 2005, 12:56

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I would have thought it would be for most people - or have you never burnt a CD compilation from other disks in your collection??? Ones you have of course purchased legitmately!!!

Nope I've just put 'em on my Sony MP3 player.......

Accept that Sony don't want to allow you to pirate stuff and buy something else... not difficult is it?

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Jono

Nope I've just put 'em on my Sony MP3 player.......

Accept that Sony don't want to allow you to pirate stuff and buy something else... not difficult is it?

But it is NOT just down to pirate stuff - Sony players are often very fussy about what media you put in them as well - for example when I went on holiday I hired a Vectra with an autochanger made by Sony - it refused to play half my disks - the cheaper Vectra with a single slot player worked with everything!!!

Mate of mine bought a high end Sony DVD player - he does commercial video stuff - wouldn't touch some of the disks he had made himself - the £50 player he bought from ASDA was fine.

People go out and buy a Sony thinking they are getting the best and find it won't do half of what they want - bit unfair on the people who don't know!!!

Jono · 08 November 2005, 13:14

Well.. I've got a Sony DVD player that I bought because the price was right and funnily enough it's never yet failed to play a single DVD that I've bought.... so it does exactly what it says on the tin. My MP3 player, certainly isn't "all singing all dancing", but I can load two hundred and something tunes it, throw in a triple A battery and plug it into the 'bike's Autocom and enjoy my music as I ride... It also does what it says on the tin! I don't know, or care, about the quality of the sound compared to, for instance CD, tape or record, because a) My hearing isn't that clever and b) I don't listen to it in a sound proof, or even quiet, environment...

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 13:36

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Originally Posted by Jono

Well.. I've got a Sony DVD player that I bought because the price was right and funnily enough it's never yet failed to play a single DVD that I've bought.... so it does exactly what it says on the tin. My MP3 player, certainly isn't "all singing all dancing", but I can load two hundred and something tunes it, throw in a triple A battery and plug it into the 'bike's Autocom and enjoy my music as I ride... It also does what it says on the tin! I don't know, or care, about the quality of the sound compared to, for instance CD, tape or record, because a) My hearing isn't that clever and b) I don't listen to it in a sound proof, or even quiet, environment...

Oh yes they work fine on DVDs bought from a shop - but there are plenty of other things people want to do and are often prevented to by sony's annoying policies. For example you may decide to burn a collection of videos you have downloaded off ribnet onto DVD and then watch them on TV later - or you may want to burn a DVD of your latest RIB cruise or whatever.

Andy Moore · 08 November 2005, 13:48

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Oh yes they work fine on DVDs bought from a shop - but there are plenty of other things people want to do and are often prevented to by sony's annoying policies. For example you may decide to burn a collection of videos you have downloaded off ribnet onto DVD and then watch them on TV later - or you may want to burn a DVD of your latest RIB cruise or whatever.

...and you might want to play some cr*p bootleg blockbuster you bought from a bloke in the pub. I get your drift.

roycruse · 08 November 2005, 13:50

Im affraid I have to agree with codders on this one

I burn all my home movies to DVD using Sonic My DVD to author them (it came free with my dvd burner) and Nero to actually burn the discs.

Ive tried several brands or +R and -R dvds and I can only get a few brands of +R discs to work and no -R discs on my grandparents sony dvd player.

My grandad purchased sony against my advice because he like so many others think that if you pay more it must be better. But now they unfortunately are stuck and cant watch the dvds of their great grandchildren that I have made for them.

a £29.99 pacific-1002 dvd player from asda will play any disc - even ones that were not finalised or failed during the writing process - they are the best thing since sliced bread in my book.

ok they dont have progressive scan etc... but most peoples tvs wont notice the difference anyway.

check here for loads of info on dvd players http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers....arch&#comments

wasnt this thread originally about ripping audio tracks from cd and tape to mp3 ??????????

codprawn · 08 November 2005, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Andy Moore

...and you might want to play some cr*p bootleg blockbuster you bought from a bloke in the pub. I get your drift.

some people might - but I don't go to pubs and I don't watch much TV or films either!!!

MikeH · 08 November 2005, 14:12

I'm thinking of getting one of these for my daughter (the new Sony - just out)

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowArtic...site=odw_en_GB

Reasoning is.

Daughter thinks it looks cool.

Long battery life 35 hrs ( we go camping and boating without 240V)

We keep our music on a network so can play from any PC. This will synchronise with the existing files (I think - according to PC World it will but I'm not sure I believe them).

According to WHICH Sony has as good or better sound than the Ipod

Given the negative comment on Sony DVD & CD players, is this going to give us problems with compatibility?

jwalker · 08 November 2005, 14:26

Cod, that was a very interesting link.

(http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,...39235149,00.htm)

Sony's subversive activity unveiled. Seriously dodgy stuff.