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Old 30 September 2005, 16:41   #41
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The world we live in

the trouble is that many countries and cultures view life and the value of life and animals in a different way to us.

I have heard before that they use all sorts of animals for bait for big game fishing which is difficult for us to understand and come to terms with as this thread has shown.

Dont get me wrong, i dont agree with it all but in some parts of the world life is cheap and that is a very very sad situation for both animals, children and adults alike.

i cant imagine using my dog "Ron" as bait, very distressing indeed
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Old 30 September 2005, 16:49   #42
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the trouble is that many countries and cultures view life and the value of life and animals in a different way to us.

I have heard before that they use all sorts of animals for bait for big game fishing which is difficult for us to understand and come to terms with as this thread has shown.

Dont get me wrong, i dont agree with it all but in some parts of the world life is cheap and that is a very very sad situation for both animals, children and adults alike.

i cant imagine using my dog "Ron" as bait, very distressing indeed
So very true - if some countries can't even value human life how can they be expected to value life in the animal kingdom???
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It's not so much the low price of life that distresses me, it's the willingness to make another animal (it's all we are after all) suffer so much. fishing hooks through paws/legs/mouths of integent animals! and in those pics, they certainly don't all appear to be mangey strays either! and some are just pups.

I'm appalled by the whole thing.
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Old 30 September 2005, 20:04   #44
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We'll I knew this family that went out to a Pacific Island with the husbands job, they took all there belongings for a long stay and put their dog in quarantine. 6 months passed and they where re-united with their dog only to have it go missing 2 days later. They managed to find out what happened to it......It had gone into a hot pot for the locals to feast on. No law had been broken as it stipulated that any dogs off of their leads where fair game, just because the Dog was taken from their land meant nothing.

I've also been to China and seen Dog on the menu.

I think we all need to realise that our perseption of right and wrong is right for our community and that in other area's of the world things are different.

I, like all of you hate these things but it does happen and will happen.
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Old 30 September 2005, 20:56   #45
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my friend sent me this -

Im totally disgusted

http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Sate...t&pg=sharkbait

Dont be sorry, these b******* need hanging, needs more bringing to the public about animal cruelty.
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This is a very distressing thread. It also behoves us to recognise that dogs are hung by the neck and beaten to death in Korea (their terror tenderises the meat...) and cats are skinned alive in China (don't ask...) Additionally horses are eaten in France.

I suspect that, unless you are a vegetarian, there's a certain ethical allowance for the slaughter of recognised "food" species, but distaste at "pets" and "intelligent" animals being consumed, or used as bait.

Personally, having witnessed animal slaughter in both the "civilised" West and "savage" East I find little to distinguish one from the other. Dead is dead, and "humane" is a convenient conceit in most cases.

As a direct result of things I've seen, I haven't eaten animal flesh for over twenty years. Might I suggest that this is as good a place to start as any other if animal welfare is a concern?
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Its going on on your own doorstep, every Boxing day people around the world are appauled at the tv pictures of the barbaric spectacle of hunters killing foxes with dogs, equally as sickening as these dogs being abused, so its not just so called third world, or less civilased people
even after the ban we saw Toffs hunting with a loophole, and travelling to France to do the killing there


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Olly I agree mate it's appalling and should be stopped.I've signed the petition.

I'll never understand why some people on this forum feel the need to question everything to destruction and spout endless hot air about it rather than do the research and form an informed opinion.


The French might eat horses but they also burn live British sheep... I wouldn't expect their government to do a lot.

Personally I won't eat anything I wouldn't kill myself.
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Personally I won't eat anything I wouldn't kill myself.
With your bare hands?
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With your bare hands?
Well I've ripped the heads off a few pheasants and ducks before....and have been known to kill the odd deer with a 38 tonne truck...and had to finish it off myself.
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Well I've ripped the heads off a few pheasants and ducks before....
You would have an interesting wrestling match on your hands if you fancied a steak!
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The French might eat horses but they also burn live British sheep... I wouldn't expect their government to do a lot.
The French are also remarkable for their collection of German flags, and their ability to eat things that we'd generally walk around if found on a garden path.
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Its going on on your own doorstep, every Boxing day people around the world are appauled at the tv pictures of the barbaric spectacle of hunters killing foxes with dogs, equally as sickening as these dogs being abused, so its not just so called third world, or less civilased people
even after the ban we saw Toffs hunting with a loophole, and travelling to France to do the killing there


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have you ever been on a hunt or seen at first hand this barbaric spectacle?
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He may not have done. but I have. I think it was best expressed by the humourist who stated that it was the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable.
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You would have an interesting wrestling match on your hands if you fancied a steak!
Point is that it's all food... Give me a 12-gauge and I'd quite happily blow a cows brains out in a fraction of a second, carve a sodding great steak off it and cook it-as long as the rest wasn't going to waste and I wasn't doing it illegally.I'd actually prefer to raise and kill my own meat-at least that way I know it hadn't been tortured by being raised in a factory farm or spent 2 weeks travelling across Europe in an overcrowded truck to be slaughtered in a terrifying environment. Humans evolved as omnivores and an animal free diet simply doesnt provide certain things we need.
Go into a vegan cafe and play 'spot the non-vegan'...it's quite easy,they are the one that dont look pasty and like they might be a bit ill.


I can KIND of see the point with eating dog-if you're raised to see an animal as food then its the same deal as us eating pork-Pigs are as intelligent as dogs and we still eat them-but the treatmentof dogs before death is revolting and needs addressing. Fishing for sharks with live dogs is disgusting-its akin to fishing for killer whales with live seal pups and the sickos doing it should be shot.
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This is a very distressing thread. It also behoves us to recognise that dogs are hung by the neck and beaten to death in Korea (their terror tenderises the meat...) and cats are skinned alive in China (don't ask...)
What a wonderful species we are......not!

Can't read much more of this
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From Snopes.com

Seems that there is some truth in the story but some of the details have been misreported/jazzed up by the news media.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp

I hasten to add that even 1 fisherman using a stray in this manner is abhorrent.
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Here's the reply I got from the RSPCA:

Thank you for your comments regarding the picture and story featured on our website about stray dogs used as sharkbait on the Island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean.

Some of the staff here also had reservations at first about whether this story and picture were genuine. However, I can confirm that everything has been double checked and verified by both our Press Office and International department.

We have spoken to several people from animal welfare groups working in the Region who have confirmed that the information is correct. In fact one person is due to appear in court within the next couple of days charged with animal welfare offences. Our Press Office have also seen video footage which they believe to be genuine.

Finally, I can confirm that the dog featured in the picture was thankfully rescued and taken to a vet for treatment.

Thank you for contacting the Society.


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Another example of animal cruelty only this time it is animal to animal (you could argue it always is)

I am undecided as to which animal is the victim, is it the gator for being eaten or the python for being too greedy Des
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Ah - that cheered me up........

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a Scouse peasant-made-good like yourself could possibly hope to aspire to.
ps. is my invite still on in October for the shoot you're organising for your Cypriot clients?
..........of course you're still invited
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