8 soldiers die in Afghanistan

codprawn · 10 July 2009, 21:10

In ONE day!!!

How much longer is this going to go on? Why are they out there?

Think of the poor families AND the innocent Afghans being killed.

And no JK the deaths of our brave soldiers does NOT belong in the Bilges. It's not political any more!!!

You only have to look at what happened to the Russians to see that you can NOT win a war in a country like that!!!

This warfare is the same sort as fought during the late 1800s - technology will not help much.

jetski · 10 July 2009, 21:22

BANG ON CODDERS

Mollers · 10 July 2009, 21:25

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Originally Posted by codprawn

In ONE day!!!

How much longer is this going to go on? Why are they out there?

Think of the poor families AND the innocent Afghans being killed.

And no JK the deaths of our brave soldiers does NOT belong in the Bilges. It's not political any more!!!

You only have to look at what happened to the Russians to see that you can NOT win a war in a country like that!!!

This warfare is the same sort as fought during the late 1800s - technology will not help much.

Codders I agree to a point, these guys are sitting ducks. We either pump in serious money and equip them properly or get the F out of there. Pulling out, unfortunately, is not an option. The fear is that Afghanistan would become a melting pot of terrorists, drug trafficers and the general scum of the World.

codprawn · 10 July 2009, 21:32

Of course it's an option!!!

It always has been a melting pot - always will.

The Russians threw far more at it than the west would ever tolerate - and where did it get them?

As to the terrorists maybe if certain countries and their politicians stopped winding them up we wouldn't have such a problem.

I don't really seem to remember a Muslim terror threat against Britain until Blair came into power - we always got on pretty well with the Arabs.

codprawn · 10 July 2009, 21:36

And yes I am wound up - always had the utmost respect for our armed forces. Seeing them killed like this breaks my heart.

Ex girlfriends brother joined the Marines - went to Iraq - then Afghanistan - then decided to get the hell out - couldn't see what he was fighting for and is now a fireman on far more money!!!

In a past life I worked quite closely with certain parts of the armed forces and they are being asked more of now than ever - with even less resources - wonder who's fault that is then.........

chewy · 10 July 2009, 22:27

Thing is now if you join the Army I personally would expect to see action and get shot at. Granted quite a few older soldiers have been killed but the young ones should have an idea of what they are letting themselves in for.

Even if we wern't at war with anyone why join the Army then complain that your getting shot at if we do go to war.

I understand what your saying Codders, if we didn't keep invading Iraq and places that end in 'stahn would with have a terrorist threat in the UK, I honestly think the UK government has created that threat for themselves.

Andy Young2 · 11 July 2009, 05:33

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GuyP · 11 July 2009, 09:52

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Originally Posted by codprawn

In ONE day!!!

How much longer is this going to go on? Why are they out there?

Think of the poor families AND the innocent Afghans being killed.

It's a war Codders so, as unpalatable as it is, you have to accept that there will be casualties. That said, the levels of casualties we are seeing are still much lower than in previous conflicts.

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Originally Posted by codprawn

You only have to look at what happened to the Russians to see that you can NOT win a war in a country like that!!!

The whole of Afghanistan was against the Russians. That is not the case with us in this conflict, there is support for the allies within the Afghan community.

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Originally Posted by codprawn

This warfare is the same sort as fought during the late 1800s - technology will not help much.

I don't believe that we were able to call in laser guided air strikes in the 1800's, or had the benefit of armoured vehicles.

Maximus · 11 July 2009, 10:33

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Originally Posted by codprawn

And yes I am wound up - always had the utmost respect for our armed forces. Seeing them killed like this breaks my heart.

Ex girlfriends brother joined the Marines - went to Iraq - then Afghanistan - then decided to get the hell out - couldn't see what he was fighting for and is now a fireman on far more money!!!

In a past life I worked quite closely with certain parts of the armed forces and they are being asked more of now than ever - with even less resources - wonder who's fault that is then.........

Mr BLiar CERTAINLY hAS alot to answer for!Strange to me how we can magicaly find HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS to shore up old lending institutions and banks and continue to pump BILLIONS into the E.U and we cant[or wont]give our forces the tools to enable them to at least keep up equipment and technology levels with our allies...Talking of which!! Our so called 'Nato allies' could be'AND SHOULD BE! shouldering alot more of the shared responsability,which with the exception of Canada has been SHAMEFULL!Regardless of where you stand on the war,our troops deserve so much more!!When proud service men and woman cant wear thier uniforms AT HOME for fear of abuse,and reasons of 'P.C' it is just another [in a long list] of examples of how low this country has sunk!Good for you Codders for raiseing the point!

codprawn · 11 July 2009, 12:18

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Originally Posted by GuyP

It's a war Codders so, as unpalatable as it is, you have to accept that there will be casualties. That said, the levels of casualties we are seeing are still much lower than in previous conflicts.

The whole of Afghanistan was against the Russians. That is not the case with us in this conflict, there is support for the allies within the Afghan community.

I don't believe that we were able to call in laser guided air strikes in the 1800's, or had the benefit of armoured vehicles.

The whole of Afghanistan was NOT against the Ruissians - they had their own puppet government in place.

The Yanks are fighting this the "modern" way - using drones and airstrikes which are killing innocent civillians - much more of this and the ordinary Afghans will not be on our side. hearts and minds are pretty difficult when 1/2 your family are dead.

The benefit of laser guided airstrikes and armoured vehicles are severly limited when fighting in mountains. The Russians threw everything they had at the Afghans - helicopter gunships - tanks - and some very nasty chemical weapons.

The Garfish · 11 July 2009, 19:11

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Originally Posted by codprawn

And yes I am wound up

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codprawn · 11 July 2009, 19:57

Ahh but its the politicians who've wound me up - maybe a new Guy Fawkes society!!!

Unless the TA are about to stage a coup.............

tinker · 11 July 2009, 20:36

I have a few friends in Afghanistan. First thing they all say is we should be proud of our youth for the way they are fighting for us.

Seeing those coffins in the hearses... well my feelings cannot be described. I do not agree with the war but the friends I have there do not want to hear that, they have lost friends and they will not tolerate the opinion that it is all in vain. I could go on but I really have not got the stomach for it on a day like today.

May you all Rest In Peace, You will not be forgotten.

codprawn · 11 July 2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by tinker

I have a few friends in Afghanistan. First thing they all say is we should be proud of our youth for the way they are fighting for us.

Seeing those coffins in the hearses... well my feelings cannot be described. I do not agree with the war but the friends I have there do not want to hear that, they have lost friends and they will not tolerate the opinion that it is all in vain. I could go on but I really have not got the stomach for it on a day like today.

May you all Rest In Peace, You will not be forgotten.

well said - all of it!!!