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Old 22 May 2016, 09:40   #21
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Regularly tow 3.5t of not very friendly or well behaved cattle....
May I respectfully suggest "Rawhide" as a name for the new boat?

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Old 22 May 2016, 12:20   #22
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Fair enough and I did say twins or a good engine and aux. I was looking for pointers of the collective, suggestions and advice, not shoot you down in flames.
It wasn't meant as criticism.

Here's a twin set-up, bang on budget.

2001 Tornado 6.4m
Retubed by Humber in 2012 with Hypalon. (Tornado's were originally built using PU material). Twin Selva 80hp engines, hydraulic steering, full electrics, gauges, VHF. Solas stainless steel propellers, Snipe trailer. 9,995.
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Old 22 May 2016, 12:43   #23
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I understand it they share some heritage with Parker (and some others)
Is that how we politically correctly say they are the "illegitimate child of..." these days ;-)

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Here's a twin set-up<snip>

Twin Selva 80hp engines<snip>
Mmmm...
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Don't forget to add 10% to the price to fix things after you buy the RIB. This is a ballpark figure but in 30 years of owning boats seems to be about right.
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Old 22 May 2016, 13:59   #25
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Ok so we have a 6.4m boat, from a good maker?
On a trailer.
With electronics.
Twin engine.
Top end of budget
Who want to tell me about selva engines
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Old 22 May 2016, 14:05   #26
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That Tornado looks pretty tired. Will probably freshen up but you'll need to factor in some time to get it shinning.
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Don't forget to add 10% to the price to fix things after you buy the RIB.
That has to be flawed. 10k rib, spend 1k on tweaking yes. But 3k rib only spend 300 tweaking??

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Who want to tell me about selva engines
You will struggle to get an honest answer from people with experience... There are 6 main outboard makers:
- Yamaha
- Honda
- Mercury / Mariner
- Tohatsu (is made by Nissan)
- Suzuki
- Evinrude / Johnson*

*ETECs from Evinrude have a bit of a marmite following on here.

Otherwise the other 4 are generally considered OK, but specific models will have specific nuances that make them better or worse. For instance Tohatsu 9.8's are very saught after but I've never heard of people fighting for a Tohatsu 50 or 70 like they might a Yam 50 or 70. Its all down to weight and reputed reliability/performance.

Then there is Selva! Relative new boys to the market they are East European Clones. Selva's have been claimed to be Yamaha's in disguise. Don't know how true that is. There is always a concern about spares for these sorts of copies but if it really is a pure Yam clone then spares should be no issue. The second issue with clones is that they may not have the same quality control.

So snag comes if you have a problem where do you go to get it fixed. The local Yam man may or may not be able / willing to look at it. Is there a Selva man anywhere in Scotland?

They are probably about 30% cheaper new. Second hand I'd expect that to even more.
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Is that how we politically correctly say they are the "illegitimate child of..." these days ;-)
No. If I wanted to say it was a splash I would say it is a splash. That is not what I was suggesting. Boats can quite legitimately come from the same pen or even the same plug without anyone being ripped off.

They are from the same heritage - so I said that. A bit like cousins, or maybe even brothers - but not quite identical twins.
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Then there is Selva! Relative new boys to the market they are East European Clones.
Not sure when Italy became "East European" or when someone who makes engines since the 1950's becomes "new boys".

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There is always a concern about spares for these sorts of copies but if it really is a pure Yam clone then spares should be no issue. The second issue with clones is that they may not have the same quality control.
I hope you've got good legal insurance if you are going to suggest they are "copies". You may find they share some heritage - but as I've just explained that doesn't make them dodgy!

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The local Yam man may or may not be able / willing to look at it. Is there a Selva man anywhere in Scotland?
Yes - Linwood. A long way from Caithness - but I've generally found the more remote you get the less brand loyal the dealers are!

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They are probably about 30% cheaper new. Second hand I'd expect that to even more.
I think that is the crux of the issue - nobody here is aspiring to own a Selva and so its resale when you want to move it on will be lower than the equivalent Yam / Mariner / Tohatsu.
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A bit like cousins, or maybe even brothers - but not quite identical twins.
And even then, even with that identical heritage - one could be seaworthy and one could be a tw@t.
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And even then, even with that identical heritage - one could be seaworthy and one could be a tw@t.
As far as i can recall, some BWMs share the hull of some of the Parker RS models. This design was also shared by Ferryman RIBs, and as many know one of their RIBs was the subject of an MAID report after the hull "fell off"
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