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Old 22 February 2006, 14:09   #1
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Your opinions please

My local Dive Club is looking at This Your opinion sought please.

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Old 22 February 2006, 14:20   #2
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I had a look last week - if you have the time and ability to deal with the cosmetics, it's a lot of boat for the money...
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Old 22 February 2006, 14:22   #3
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What's really interesting about this is that jbt were inviting tenders for this back in dec.'05-looks like he must have won the bid "funny that!"
Boat looks solid though,doesn't seem bad value either,looks ex military,has it had a hard life and is there any service history with that motor?
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I went to see this boat at the JBT yard a while back.

It is a lot of boat for the money - the two engines on the back are well set up, both are on remotes, and there is a steering set up that means you can use the aux from the helmsmans position.

The seats on the drivers jockey were, to my mind, horrible. They are made out of some sort of high density foam, and feel as though they would break every minute. However, the driving position is comfortable (ditch the hummingbird vhf though!)

Plenty of space in the back for bottle racks/more jockeys

Tubes were in very good nick - hull looked ok. She was sitting on a nice trailer, but apparently doesn't come with a trailer.

Hull was reasonable - could have done with a bit of tarting up.

Suspect she will be an expensive boat to run because she is so heavy, but a good sea boat, and plenty of space for divers. She's also nice and rugged. One point - if you plan on coding her, she has no transom to speak of, just about an inch and a half lip the engines are mounted on!

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Old 22 February 2006, 14:37   #5
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Certainly is alot of boat for the money, the engine is a 200HP 'Offshore' be worth seeing if this is carb or EFI. The EFI's are still thirsty in comparison to an Opti or a 4stroke, but not as thirsty as the older 200HP Carb.
For the money its a good seaworthy work boat, IMHO.

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I think it looks like the transom are very low wich could be negativ if you will take heavy loads like divers with heavy equipment.
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Old 22 February 2006, 15:01   #7
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brian, our office is at Thornham marina - if you want any more pics of anything specific, just ask and i'll take some this week
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Looks a great bargain - especially with a nice aux outboard as well.
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Old 22 February 2006, 15:12   #9
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brian, our office is at Thornham marina - if you want any more pics of anything specific, just ask and i'll take some this week

Thanks for that Aid it's being discussed at a comittee Mtg tonight so may just takeyou up on that,

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Old 22 February 2006, 15:15   #10
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"Sold as seen".. If that was on a car, you would walk away.. I accept most privately bought ribs are sold the same way, but when a dealer specifies that in the advert, I would be slightly more wary..
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The guy tried to sell this to me too!!!

I took one look at the engine and walked away. It will chew fuel attached to a boat like that!!

The console needs to be ripped out, the deck did look dubious, the fuel filler in a foot above the deck, the aux is on some strange contraption.....the list went on.

However the exterior hull was ok and tubes looked firm.

If I was you I'd have a chat to Tim M about his arctic on here
Halmatic Arctic 22 - no engine - offers

Strikes me its a bit less of an unknown quantity and you could re-engine how you liked.
(There are 2x 150hp Yamaha HDPI's on boatandoutoards @ £3.5k ea!)

The arctic is a big heavy boat for a dive club anyway. You'd need a monster tow vehicle to shift it anywhere.

Have a look at something like this......
http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F90313/

Lots easier to trailer anywhere and loads cheaper to run. The back pods can be completely removed to store gear too.

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Old 23 February 2006, 02:40   #12
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The guy tried to sell this to me too!!!

Have a look at something like this......
http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F90313/

Lots easier to trailer anywhere and loads cheaper to run. The back pods can be completely removed to store gear too.

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It's also three times the price so would need to be loads cheaper to run.
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Old 23 February 2006, 03:06   #13
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just a few facts

This boat was up for tender, and a second boat up for tender sold without any issue.

This boat fetched the price you see it advertised for in the tender.
When the Irish man came all the way to collect it, he said he did not realise it was 22 feet and too big for him (I know itís in the name but what can you say: mad

So we were asked to sell it for the price the tender fetched under the same conditions.

All stock boats have a minimum of 3 months warranty, all broker boats donít, and thatís always been the same for every boat.

Dealer or private
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i agree i would never by a boat that has sold as seen . the boat is old and has had a hard life probably ( being a atlantic ) . the engines are a good deal but only if they run right if you buy the rib and the engine are gone you just spent over 5,000 for a old hull with knackered engines .

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Every brkerage or private sale is sold as seen.

Surely every brokerage or private sale is "sold as seen". You invest in a survey to satisfy yourself the boat is as it should be, you engage an engineer to run up the engine and take compressions. - JBT may even be able to offer a sea trial?

"As seen" means "as far as you want to see prior to purchase - but with no warrantee or guarantee once you have handed the money over.
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