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Old 29 May 2003, 16:25   #1
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Yachties get a slaped wrist / Ribs in Fog?

That nice QHM in Portsmouth sent me this today

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QHM has issued the following Safety Bulletin
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Wednesday 28 May was the first day since Easter when Fog Routine was in force in the harbour and a large number of yachts were underway. Many of these yachts were not radar fitted but they nonetheless chose to leave the harbour without navigation lights burning and without making sound signals, this led to a number of very close shaves in the harbour entrance. The weather forecast would have told them the fog would be clear by late morning and they should have delayed their departures accordingly. Alternatively if there was an urgent reason to get underway then lights and fog signals are mandatory in the fog not optional. One yacht and one yacht only chose to call Harbour Control and ask for a visibility report in the harbour entrance and then he delayed his departure until the fog had cleared. Your attention is drawn to LNTM 16-02 (Movements in Poor Visibility).

A full list of LNTMs can be found at http://www.qhmportsmouth.com/LNTM/lntm.htm

Dated 29 May 2003
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Anyway this leads me on to what us Ribs should do in poor visability - how many have sound signals? - Most of us have Nav lights - and would use them in poor visability anyway (I hope!), but what about the sound?
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Old 29 May 2003, 17:02   #2
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Honest truth, in poor vis I do use sound signals and nav lights. If I don't use them then I am setting a very bad impression to other boat users as an RYA School.
I do have a radar reflector as part of coding. But if you have radar then you are required to use it. You must use "all possible means to avoid collision!"
Its all very well using a GPS/plotter but it does not show you the supertanker moored in the middle of Torbay!
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Old 30 May 2003, 07:21   #3
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Hi folks

I carry a "decent" radar reflector and a fog horn.
I say decent as I belive that not all radar reflectors are up to the job, and on a RIB you cant even get the advantage of height.

The fog horn is a gas cartridge type, However I am not sure, to be honest, how long the gas cartridge would last if we had to keep using for long periods.

I was going to fit radar but I have serious worries about scanner height. The idea of a transmitter firing 1.5KW pulses of at head height really worried me, hence I did not fit. If I could get it heigh enough I would fit but dont think it possible given the current/most A frames.

As far a nav light goes, thats just common sense.
Day or night you cant go wrong if they are on.

So as far as fog goes, i would not choose to go out in fog if I had not already set of, if I was out then you have no choice but I would consider, turning back or changing port/destination if that was fog bound. At sea I think you stand a good chance, when all the boats come together at a port/marine etc that when I would get worried.

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Old 30 May 2003, 10:20   #4
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Two yachts have been run down by a coaster and a container ship in past few days,

First was at 0330 SW of Plymouth and vessel dismasted limped into plymouth. This was 60 ft and would definitely of been radar conspicuous

Second - was further up the channel and vessel sank so people got into liferaft and got picked up by sea cat to guernsey
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Old 01 June 2003, 08:17   #5
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Doesn't everybodyy carry at least a portable air horn or a manual Hooter (TRUMP?)

If you don't then all gadgets has then on sale quite cheaply
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Old 05 June 2003, 05:06   #6
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I always carry a horn, but found the CO2 type to fail after a while - the plastic becomes brittle from the cold. I have just bought an "eco horn", same shape etc as the CO2 type, but "rechargeable" using a bicycle pump up to 80psi. Minimal risk of failure, and no need to carry heavy cans of beans!!

Secondly, what sort radar reflector can anyone recomed to fit my Humber - single 2" dia "A" frame, so can't fit anything too heavy.
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Old 05 June 2003, 06:52   #7
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An Alternative

I was fortunate to be involved in a demo for this piece of kit - sure beats anything else on the market. Sea-Me
Brian, I forgot to forward these details to you, have a look around this site, very worthwhile.
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Old 05 June 2003, 07:17   #8
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Sounds like a good piece of equipment. Any ideas how much it costs??

UPPPPPSSSSSSS just found it £ 457.99 (inclusive vat!!) if you buy it in the UK £ 477.99 if you buy it in Greece (suppose postage charges).

Isn't it a bit on the steep side??
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Old 05 June 2003, 07:26   #9
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A trump is a vey loud human powered Fog horn, I think they cost a fiver and are a good backups for the CO2 types.

Those of yoy that know me will appreciate I have experienced no difficulty in operating the Trump.
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Old 05 June 2003, 08:06   #10
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Hi folks

the SEE-ME got a good review BUT it only works on X Band radars, and not on S band.

And guess one is better when the weather gets bad and in rain yes its S band. Although I belive most ships would run both toghther.

Also I dont belive is covers you under the new requirements for radar reflectors as it only works on the one band, So i belive you also need to carry a normal radar reflector as well.

and Yes Manos I thought they was expensive as well.

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