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Old 14 March 2008, 05:50   #31
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Thanks for all the replies.
The build quality of XS doesn't seem in doubt. If they are based on the Tornado design then they should be great sea boats. Seems some mystery as to where they are built, if they are built in China (which I doubt due to build quality) then I definately won't touch. They are coming in at slightly less than an slighty smaller Destroyer but I'll need to see what comes as standard.

I realise that some are having issues with Humbers (Stephen's tubes and Bruce's completion dates), I think this is a symptom of their success. The bigger they get the poorer the customer services becomes. Having said that generally they do make good boats, my current 5m Humber inflatable is well made and very tough.

Not much between them but I'm sneaking more towards the XS as I feel I'd get better customer service from BM (the attitude Bruce seems to be getting from Humber really is shocking when you consider how much he is paying them). I've recently been really hacked off having to deal with company's who once they get your cash really couldn't care less.

One of the main differences in design is that Humber use Hypalon for their tubes and XS use PU. I've only ever had boats with Hypalon tubes and haven't had any issues. Is PU really as good?
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Old 14 March 2008, 05:56   #32
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Thanks for all the replies.
The build quality of XS doesn't seem in doubt. If they are based on the Tornado design then they should be great sea boats. Seems some mystery as to where they are built, if they are built in China (which I doubt due to build quality) then I definately won't touch. They are coming in at slightly less than an slighty smaller Destroyer but I'll need to see what comes as standard.
please don't be put off because I mentioned the China word. I seemed to have got the wrong end of the stick. I new Tornados were made in China, and thought the similarity in hull shape, together with the fact its BM who sell them and that XS appeared on the scene around the time Tornado dissappeared - that they were just a rebranding.
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One of the main differences in design is that Humber use Hypalon for their tubes and XS use PU. I've only ever had boats with Hypalon tubes and haven't had any issues. Is PU really as good?
Now thats just started a whole different debate!
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Old 14 March 2008, 06:39   #33
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We have an XS-600 as a dive boat with a 115.

Its a good enough boat and very good value for money. Overall build is good and handles well on the water.

On the downside:

The centre of gravity is high and it can rock from one tube to the other when at a stand still and when people move about the deck. There is also a lack of thought by the fitters when you look how throttle cables etc run, too many tight bends for those types of cable which means the cables will need replacing after a year or so. Interesting it was the same on my Tornado ....!! Same fitters.

I have used Destroyer and XS alot and my money would go to the XS. BMC provide good support during and after the purchase which counts for a lot these days.

My advice for a dive boat is buy as big as you can afford! the XS-600 would be the smallest I would find useful.

http://www.badviz.com/Galleries/XS600/index.htm
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Old 14 March 2008, 07:35   #34
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Interesting, the Tornado site seems to suggest that they are trading in Britain. I had thought that they had ceased production in the UK in 05/06 and had shipped to China and that new Tornados weren't available in the UK. Perhaps why XS came into being, previous builders using same or copied moulds to start up a new range under a different name. Both boats look identical. I do like Tornados, often give them an envious once over at slipways now and again.
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Old 14 March 2008, 07:59   #35
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Interesting,.... Perhaps why XS came into being, previous builders using same or copied moulds to start up a new range under a different name.
Oooo, wash your mouth out with soap and water....


I'd put a fiver on it.....
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Old 14 March 2008, 08:12   #36
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Not wishing to dig up the whole discussion again as it is there for anybody who wants to read it, just couldn't let a "they last forever" remark pass without observing that this is not always the case!
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Old 14 March 2008, 08:38   #37
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Interesting, the Tornado site seems to suggest that they are trading in Britain. I had thought that they had ceased production in the UK in 05/06 and had shipped to China and that new Tornados weren't available in the UK. Perhaps why XS came into being, previous builders using same or copied moulds to start up a new range under a different name. Both boats look identical. I do like Tornados, often give them an envious once over at slipways now and again.
Just to throw my lot into the debate - when I was collecting my XS550 from Barnet Marine back in 2005 I think it was, there was a new hull being delivered ready for fitting out, and the delivery lorry was from Scotland
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Old 14 March 2008, 09:15   #38
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and the delivery lorry was from Scotland

Ah so XS may just possibly be Clyde built. If so just about the only boats that are nowadays. :-)
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I can safley say they are NOT built in Scotland. England is the place they built
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For info, Barnet was already selling XS ribs whilst they were still selling Tornado. Apparently the build quality is exceptional but the hull design is very different to that of Tornados.
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