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Old 19 April 2007, 14:52   #31
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Agreed, I just can't see the value of a big Redbay with a couple diesels suddenly dropping in price, there will always be a demand albeit from a limited market, but then there aren't many about, supply/demand?
one engine would be quite sufficient - I don't want to appear greedy!

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Volvo charge a similar price for servicing if they come to you rather than you taking the boat to them. Are they really that much more to service over a modern injection outboard? and is the extra a major part of the cost of boat ownership, I suspect not, certainly not if a boat is moored in a South Coast boatyard.
Thats what I thought and JW and DGR are saying the same - I must have been reading too much between the lines in RIVAs post - i thought he was implying that diesels cost more to maintain.
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Good point Nos. Not sure what I was thinking...
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Old 19 April 2007, 15:48   #33
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at the risk of taking the thread off at a tangent -- I don't think the proposals have anything to do with red for agri use.
Yes they do - it is a blanket removal of derogation for red diesel - not just for marine use. There will only be one type of diesel that you will be able to buy - which will be white.

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Yes they do - it is a blanket removal of derogation for red diesel - not just for marine use. There will only be one type of diesel that you will be able to buy - which will be white.

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I think you will find that the "derogration" only applied to Marine Leisure Use in the first place. I am certain your source of information is wrong. Red will still be available for agri use etc as it is across europe.
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I think you will find that the "derogration" only applied to Marine Leisure Use in the first place. I am certain your source of information is wrong. Red will still be available for agri use etc as it is across europe.
And on the quayside in the channel islands, rendering enforcement impossible...?

Sooooo.... Anyone know a friendly farmer?
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I think you will find that the "derogration" only applied to Marine Leisure Use in the first place. I am certain your source of information is wrong. Red will still be available for agri use etc as it is across europe.
It applied to marine and aviation, never seen a diesel plane though
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It applied to marine and aviation, never seen a diesel plane though
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Thats what I thought and JW and DGR are saying the same - I must have been reading too much between the lines in RIVAs post - i thought he was implying that diesels cost more to maintain.
A nice second hand Redbay (or perhaps a Parker) with a single Yamaha diesel would be a great rib especially up in the wilds of Scotland. Dave Simmons has another interesting little rib, a 6m Solent with the Merc 1.7L diesel, astonishing speed and acceleration for a little engine and burns something like 9 litres an hour. You would be pushed to copy that with even a modern injected outboard.
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yes but no one buys yours as a lesure rib
As for the Pacific 22s, well peeps buy them for private use because they are relatively cheap so a lot of diesel boat for your money. Certainly JBT have sold quite a few over the years. Not the fastest, so cruise at 24-25 knots but tough as old boots, strange that everyone lets me tie up first against the wall in Yarmouth and then everyone rafts along side

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I think you will find that the "derogration" only applied to Marine Leisure Use in the first place. I am certain your source of information is wrong. Red will still be available for agri use etc as it is across europe.
OK - I thought it was all red diesel judging by the conversation I had with a couple of local red diesel users the other day!! I could well be wrong......

But if that is right, and the red remains for agri and commercial use, then enforcing it will be fairly impossible.

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It applied to marine and aviation, never seen a diesel plane though
Most jet aircraft will run on diesel - it is very similar to kerosene. It isn't really advised but most military helicopters can use it without too many problems.
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