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Old 16 February 2007, 18:17   #11
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Steve,

My point is we all know we are bad for the planet and I would like to do something about it for future generations and I know we can if we are serious about it. I wish that instead of taking the easy option, that isnt a smoke screen to hide other issues, that someone would push forward alternative fuel supplies (Because its the burning of fossil fuels thats causing our problem) so we can go out buy our ultra clean cars and boats and planes and not destroy this planet. Then we can have our cake and eat it.
Otherwise we are all going to be back in the stone age before very long.

Its a bit like a Physics lesson really. Every action has a reaction. And in our case every mile in a car heats the whole place up a little more from the carbon emissions.
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Steve,

My point is we all know we are bad for the planet and I would like to do something about it for future generations and I know we can if we are serious about it. I wish that instead of taking the easy option, that isnt a smoke screen to hide other issues, that someone would push forward alternative fuel supplies (Because its the burning of fossil fuels thats causing our problem) so we can go out buy our ultra clean cars and boats and planes and not destroy this planet. Then we can have our cake and eat it.
Otherwise we are all going to be back in the stone age before very long.

Its a bit like a Physics lesson really. Every action has a reaction. And in our case every mile in a car heats the whole place up a little more from the carbon emissions.
Nick, sorry I,ve just come back and looked at this! It did look a bit aggresive on my behalf I didn't mean to get at you as I did and thank you for your calm reply!

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I do however try to make an effort I use energy saving bulbs, save thousands of litres of rain water, I reuse absolututely everything that comes in my direction! I ewven grow my own veg! I really do believe that your children and mine will inherit the complete cockup that we have made. So don't knock other peoples effort! Enjoy your RIb and your car and make the best of every effort you can to make just a little bit of the future somewhere that humanity can survive. And if you don't think that's right don't knock those who do.
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Good for you BUT do you REALLY think what WE do makes much of a difference when it comes to this planet? Not whilst countries like China are going through an industrial revolution about 100 times bigger than we went through.

If Britain suddenly vanished off the face of this planet the world would be less than 1% better off on an emmissions scale.

Loads of Greens(not including you in that) in this country say "ah we have to set a good example". What a load of bollocks. The Chinese aren't going to give a damn. Why don't the Greens go out to China where they could make a REAL difference?

It is a bit like watching you next door neighbour chucking 10,000 gallons of effluent a day into the local river and saying - ahh but I recyle all my waste - good for you but what difference are you making? You need to go next door and stop your neighbour from doing it.

There is a big campaign on at the moment telling people to turn off their TVs etc as they use so much power on standby - what a load of crap. The figures they are using are based on the power 20yr old tvs used to use. How many people still have one of those? A modern TV will cost you 10p a YEAR left on standby - that's 0.02 of a penny a day!!!

Of course we should try to save our planet - but useless gestures that just give us a feel good factor are just that - gestures. I include myself in that. I hate what is happening to this world. I have a deep love and respect for the countryside - one of the reasons I am so against windmills for example. They now want to put pylons through the Cairngorms!!!
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Theres one of those government petitions on it here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Windermere10mph/
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There is a big campaign on at the moment telling people to turn off their TVs etc as they use so much power on standby - what a load of crap.
I checked the power consumption of my TV, pvr, and computer on standby, and it was negligible.
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Loads of Greens(not including you in that) in this country say "ah we have to set a good example". What a load of bollocks. The Chinese aren't going to give a damn. Why don't the Greens go out to China where they could make a REAL difference?

Of course we should try to save our planet - but useless gestures that just give us a feel good factor are just that - gestures. I include myself in that. I hate what is happening to this world. I have a deep love and respect for the countryside - one of the reasons I am so against windmills for example. They now want to put pylons through the Cairngorms!!!

Grr , Grr and Grr ... in agreement with all of that . Whilst we pay through the nose to get green and get 'bled' dry,to the benefit of HM revenue and customs, does the rest of the world care .... hardly.. And will all that tax get used for our/world benefit, or will it cynically get absorbed into other projects, which need the funding more, to prop up which ever administration deems it so?


As for the pylons, undergrounding has been deemed too expensive .... as has off shore cabling. After reading the profits these companies make, I dont give a shit about the costs of the alternatives to pylons No commercial interest should be allowed to spoil our last areas of natural beauty. The power companies seem to be able to do as they please regardless of the size of the mail bag against them.
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It is NOT just the cost of undrground cables that bothers me - it is the inefficiency. The losses are huge because of the heat build up - overhead wires have so much more cooling. As the temp of a conductor increases so does it's resistence. The wind turbine are very inefficient as it is - calculate in transmission loses as well and it makes as much sense as the communist job creation scheme - get 3 blokes to dig a hole and 2 more to fill it back in!!!
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[QUOTE=codprawn;187750]A modern TV will cost you 10p a YEAR left on standby - that's 0.02 of a penny a day!!!


Actualy at .02p per day that actually works out at £7.30 per year
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[QUOTE=qcamel;187874] [QUOTE=codprawn;187750]A modern TV will cost you 10p a YEAR left on standby - that's 0.02 of a penny a day!!!


Actualy at .02p per day that actually works out at £7.30 per year [/QUOTE

Sorry I missed out on the 0 and the 7 - it WAS late - I think!!!

0.0027 of a penny!!!
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That'd be £1 a year then..

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