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Old 01 December 2014, 13:01   #1
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Why lifeguard boats should have kill cords

Lifeguards Lose Control Of Boat Stuck in Full Throttle - Salt Rock Ballito (Fail) - YouTube

Maybe this has been posted up before if so sorry , but it could so easily happen here .in fact iam surprised it hasn't yet.
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Old 01 December 2014, 13:22   #2
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Lifeguards Lose Control Of Boat Stuck in Full Throttle - Salt Rock Ballito (Fail) - YouTube

Maybe this has been posted up before if so sorry , but it could so easily happen here .in fact iam surprised it hasn't yet.
New to me that one..Scarey Stuff!
Yep..as said many times before on here!...the positives wearing a KC have got to outweigh ANY negatives!!
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...but it could so easily happen here .in fact iam surprised it hasn't yet.
And yet it hasn't and I'm NOT that surprised. It may do at some point in the future, but I think that the chances are acceptably low - mostly because of better training and equipment in the UK and Ireland. The video shows a couple of men showing off in a boat that is not equipped for that function.

The video HAS been posted here before. I may have commented then as I will now (in a personal capacity, not in Mod mode) that I think there is a racist undertone to this video. I don't wish to delve into the politics of it and I think the video speaks volumes itself. One of the men in the boat is approached at 4:07 and grabbed, shaken and shouted at. His colleagues attempt to calm the situation and keep him moving away. Had that happened here, the assailant would have been confronted, not so in the video. Speaks volumes.
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Yup been on before , you would have thought it would have had a prop guard fitted
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All I meant to highlight was the lack of kill cord used , and the fact that our lifeguards boats are the same .
Racist wtf
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All I meant to highlight was the lack of kill cord used , and the fact that our lifeguards boats are the same .
That's quite clear in your OP and I understood it. My point was that those boats are not like lifeboats here. A D-class is a different beast entirely. You can still get thrown out of one - just more unlikely. A few RNLI lads DID get chucked out of one here a few years back, so it happens.
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My personal impression of the video - not you or your post relating to it. I've watched it a few times. I think that the video editor is a disenfranchised racist and the man who abuses the crewman is probably similar. Just IMO, doesn't affect the killcord issue.

Moving on, do we know if these "surf rescue" crews normally wear killcords or was this a once off? I know the RNLI don't. What about other similar agencies elsewhere? If we feel that the RNLI should use killcords, I could possibly send them a stiff letter on RIBnet letterhead - that should ruffle a few feathers...
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That's quite clear in your OP and I understood it. My point was that those boats are not like lifeboats here. A D-class is a different beast entirely.
But they are like the surf rescue boats the rnli life guards use in Ian's part of the world. They don't use kc's either as I understand it, and I'm sure are not immune to a little macho showing off!
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That's quite clear in your OP and I understood it. My point was that those boats are not like lifeboats here. A D-class is a different beast entirely. You can still get thrown out of one - just more unlikely. A few RNLI lads DID get chucked out of one here a few years back, so it happens.



My personal impression of the video - not you or your post relating to it. I've watched it a few times. I think that the video editor is a disenfranchised racist and the man who abuses the crewman is probably similar. Just IMO, doesn't affect the killcord issue.



Moving on, do we know if these "surf rescue" crews normally wear killcords or was this a once off? I know the RNLI don't. What about other similar agencies elsewhere? If we feel that the RNLI should use killcords, I could possibly send them a stiff letter on RIBnet letterhead - that should ruffle a few feathers...

Yeh go on rough them up a bit
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Flesh is flesh, doesn't matter whether it's clothed in an RNLI dry suit or a Black Shadow, the result will be the same if a spinning prop collides with it.

I'm not privy to why the RNLI don't utilise kill-cords (if indeed they don't?) but I'm sure their Risk Assessments are 'suitable and sufficient'.

People in the service with way more experience than me, operating craft of this type, will have considered the various scenarios and assessed the probabilities and potential outcomes so personally I wouldn't bother reaching deep into the drawer for any of that metaphorical Letterhead....
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Here we go again

The RNLI doesn't use kill cords on their inshore lifeboats because, when the boats are operating in surf, there is a greater risk that movement from the crew could inadvertently cut the engine/s and put the crew in danger.

However, the throttle of the D class inshore lifeboat is sprung so that should the crew go overboard, the throttle will return to idle.

In the B class Atlantic inshore lifeboats there have been no incidents where all crew members have gone overboard and, in the event of a capsize with either class of boat, the engines will cut out. In addition all crew are thoroughly trained and their competence regularly assessed.

The RNLI has held an initial review of their existing policy on the use of kill cords in their B class Atlantic inshore lifeboats. The review’s conclusion was that conventional kill cords may at times put helms and crew at an unacceptable level of risk (due to inadvertent activation) when operating in more challenging sea conditions.

The RNLI is keen, however, to monitor the development of other technologies with interest.
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