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Old 12 November 2008, 13:46   #11
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Polwart has a point there Mike as far as insurance goes. If something was to go wrong they could easily point the finger you way. Watch yourself.
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Old 12 November 2008, 13:53   #12
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Naturally we are more than happy to do this, a quick wonder down at low tide and drain via the trunks - job done.

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A word of warning - I was told that my Cobra would take in water if the trunks are left down!
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Old 12 November 2008, 16:11   #13
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A word of warning - I was told that my Cobra would take in water if the trunks are left down!
Not if it's dried out...
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Malthouse - are you providing the customers who you do this for with some sort of storage services?
Not an obligation or charged service, just the local* harbour with a couple of dozen boats of which a handful we look after in one way or another. So do we do them all, or wait to be asked?

* Local as in a 2 minute stroll

As for watching ourselves and insurance etc, that is the crux of the issue. As a free community effort it would not be insured or guaranteed....
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Old 12 November 2008, 17:26   #15
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Not an obligation or charged service, just the local* harbour with half a dozen boats that we look after in one way or another. So do we do them all, or wait to be asked?

* Local as in a 2 minute stroll
Is Alderney small enough that everyone knows who owns which boats and that it still has community spirit? I would have thought that it was and in that case it would be seen in the spirit it is intended in - but e.g. on the solent it might not be the same.

Even then I would be looking to make some (small) amount of cash for the effort - if not directly then indirectly from customer loyalty. So I would be making sure people know I am helping them. Afterall if you left them to the elements you would be able to sell more batteries, pumps, solar panels, cleaning products etc.

[EDIT - I see you added that you added that you don't consider this part of your business function therefore not insured. The question is does the "customer" percieve it that way? How would you feel if I "tampered" with your bailers? Would you feel more comfortable if the local boat yard did it?]
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Deos this come back to feeling of fear that we all feel about 'doing the right thing' ? As an individual if I can see I can stop somones boat being damaged I will do it. But as a 'company' - who knows why might point the finger.

Lets not forget that liability can be seen both ways ie you can be just as liable for NOT doing something as if you do something!

Its not long before we get to situation of the 2 PCSO's that did nothing as they wern't trained in water rescue ( has come up on posts before now).

If it was my boat & the guys looking after it saw it full of water & didn't lower the trunks I'd be pretty upset. Whats the worst that can happen if you dont put them back up ? - you end with a boat full of water through to the next low tide , when it dries out & empties again. If you dont lower the trunks the boat if full ofwater the whole time ! ( assuming they are RIBS & wont actually sink).

It more stuns me that the owners of the boats ( if they can) dont check or formally ask ( Pay)someone to check . I know I'd pay if I couldn't do it myself !
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Not if it's dried out...
Couldn't be more dried out at the moment - it's in a warehouse
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Old 13 November 2008, 03:08   #18
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Lets not forget that liability can be seen both ways ie you can be just as liable for NOT doing something as if you do something!
That is my worry, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If someone's boat sufferes serious damage, ie engine ruined and someone points out that we had emptied the boat next door once a fortnight for the whole of winter - are we to blame?

I think the best solution is to ask the Harbour Master for his view. We are happy to do it as a free (unguaranteed) service and it is up to him to tell us whether to seek permission or to do it by default. I think I know which way it will go.
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That is my worry, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If someone's boat sufferes serious damage, ie engine ruined and someone points out that we had emptied the boat next door once a fortnight for the whole of winter - are we to blame?
Or someone says his boat was damaged because you didn't empty it often enough!
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Or someone says his boat was damaged because you didn't empty it often enough!
Quite so!

After popping in to see the HM we decided to put this message on our web site:

"We are happy to check on boats moored in the inner harbour and to drain rainwater from them, but in agreement with the Harbour Master we need owners to contact us first to request this free service.
(Nov 13th 2008)"
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