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Old 17 October 2012, 04:17   #41
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resin an matt are commodity products. Yes they will get cheaper if you buy more, but not significantly so if you buy double the quantity. On my hypothetical numbers above probably 5% of the build cost is resin/matt. If you can save 10% on buying material in bigger quantity that means the whole boat could be 0.5% cheaper...
A saving of 0.5% on a 50k build cost is still a 250 saving. Multiply that by 12 boats and that's an extra 3k profit.

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but buyers don't like to be forced to buy the engine dealer you partner with and even if they do if you think 5-10 extra engines a year for a main outboard dealer will get you a very different deal you are in cloud cookoo land. The only way they'd give you any meaningful extra discount is if at the start of the year you could guarantee to take certain models - which of course you can't because until you get the sales and agree the exact specs with the customer you don't know...
Well Ribeye must think it's worthwhile. "Powered by Yamaha"

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His prices can only 'appear' cheap if he is getting deals other people don't. Just reducing the prices for everyone doesn't help individual dealers - the majority of people who have 40k rather than 50 to spend on a boat are still going to buy a boat anyway just a bit smaller. So in fact it doesn't even grow the total market.
Yes, but those that have 15k to spend rather than 18k may go and buy a Chinese RIB.

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even worse, he'd be reduced his prices in the hope of attracting new customers and if that doesn't happen he gains none of the 'savings' and probably goes the way of many a british rib builder who tried to sell to cheap...
And if all the British RIB builders sit back admiring the quality of their work and doing nothing about their costs then they'll go the same way as the British car industry went in the 70's and 80's.
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Old 17 October 2012, 04:29   #42
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Jim has given a lot of valid points and add to that i was once told by a very well known rib manufacturer that his hulls were nearly twice the lay up of his hard boats .As a tube manufacturer i do not charge for templating new designs but hope to recover this from repeat orders and as a very small company we have to hold 150,000 of fabric stock as well as other components ,rubbing strakes are only available in large quantities 200 to 600mtrs if we want reasonable prices .lastly i would really love to see some of these huge profits that people seem to think we make
Hi Paul, as I've said elsewhere, I have no probelem with a business making a healthy profit (profit is not a dirty word).

Out of interest, how much of that fabric stock is tied up in less popular colours, and do you charge more for tubes in a less popular colour than you do for the more popular colours?
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Old 17 October 2012, 05:08   #43
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We have just completed new open 6.8 rib we call the Shearwater Cutter which we will announce next month. .
Want one already !!!!

NSS- Jim uses RING hulls...I was lucky enough to own one and hope to again at some point in the next few years !
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NSS- Jim uses RING hulls...I was lucky enough to own one and hope to again at some point in the next few years !
Okay, I had assumed from Jim's post that he had developed his own hull for the Shearwater. Presumably the 100k development was for the deck/console/cuddy moulds then, in which case I can understand he may prefer not to 'share' this element with another builder.
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Okay, I had assumed from Jim's post that he had developed his own hull for the Shearwater. Presumably the 100k development was for the deck/console/cuddy moulds then, in which case I can understand he may prefer not to 'share' this element with another builder.
I'm guessing he may have done for the new smaller one and the other new ish 10m boat.....I think there has already been some 'sharing' of the cabin...google the ribcraft (offshore ?) cabin rib.....pretty/very similar .
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I'm guessing he may have done for the new smaller one and the other new ish 10m boat.....I think there has already been some 'sharing' of the cabin...google the ribcraft (offshore ?) cabin rib.....pretty/very similar .
Fair enough, and as promised I'll get back in my box now, but I'd still contend that some of the attitudes and comments posted on this subject are carbon copies of what people said in many other industries, only to see manufacturers in the far east or nearer put them out of business (on price and quality!).
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Fair enough, and as promised I'll get back in my box now, but I'd still contend that some of the attitudes and comments posted on this subject are carbon copies of what people said in many other industries, only to see manufacturers in the far east or nearer put them out of business (on price and quality!).
I 100% agree . there was a film of the zodiac production line I saw at some point - that shows it has for them become a real production line ...but they are still expensive !

Boats like yours (with a set layout and deck molding) will become far more common, but I think this will be imited to the smaller sizes - as when stuff gets bigger its all about being able to bespoke it. Even Avon with thier buy in to outhill consoles still give that ability to spec everything to suit ...and they are still expensive !
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I 100% agree . there was a film of the zodiac production line I saw at some point - that shows it has for them become a real production line ...but they are still expensive !

Boats like yours (with a set layout and deck molding) will become far more common, but I think this will be imited to the smaller sizes - as when stuff gets bigger its all about being able to bespoke it. Even Avon with thier buy in to outhill consoles still give that ability to spec everything to suit ...and they are still expensive !
In leisure market terms, Avon effectively don't exist any more, with the exception of the Seasport Jet boats.

As for Outhill mouldings, I imported a console from Canada for my previous rib. It was (in my opinion) better looking, better quality and better functionally, and yet it still cost me less than the Outhill equivalent.
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NSS we only stock the most popular colours mainly in 1200gsm orca 828 and a few in 1500gsm orca 866 .we do not stock any of the lighter grades 215 and 820 .If we stocked all colours in all grades we would have approx 1,000,000 worth of stock . we charge the same for all colours but extra for the heavier weight fabric .
the argument for sharing hull designs doesnt really stack up as it is the hull that gives the boat its own particular performance .the motor trade does not do this ,they share floorpans within the same group ie vw audi porsche not different companies .if you had a hull that gave better performance would you share it with your competitor .
Due to the very small quantities or boats being built and materials being used you would need every manufacturer in the uk to join together to get any savings on purchases of materials ,engines ect .e.g if my rubbing strake supplier has 100mtrs of strake in stock which is very unlikely as it is made to order it will cost x/mtr if he has no stock i have to order 600mtrs minimum and it still costs x/mtr enough for 50x 5mtr ribs ,we have 7 different rubbing strakes this would be enough for 350 boats who makes that many boats in a year ??
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"the motor trade does not do this ,they share floorpans within the same group ie vw audi porsche not different companies"

I agree with your point Paul but Renault, Nissan & Opel are not the same group are they?
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