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Old 24 February 2005, 04:58   #41
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This is from my own personnel recolection and not any official MCA statistics or records.


During the fastnet race that was hit by a storm and a number of sailors lost thier lives. The majority of fatalities were from people in liferafts who had abondoned thier boat prematurely. Most boats were found and recovered after the storm and though they were damaged they had managed to stay alfloat even though their crew had abandoned.

Moral: your yacht/ship/rib is the best liferaft you have got, do not be so keen to abandon it to a overgrown lilo with a roof.

I reiterate that these are my oprinions and not the MCA's
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Old 24 February 2005, 05:12   #42
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Moral: your yacht/ship/rib is the best liferaft you have got, do not be so keen to abandon it to a overgrown lilo with a roof.
It's definately a last resort, and not a decision to be taken lightly. The advice I was given on a sea survival course was that you should step UP from your boat onto the life raft!

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Old 02 March 2005, 16:46   #43
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its nothing to do with safety

Have you ever thought how many people work in those liferaft repair and service centres and how much of tax payers money goes on keeping those bean counters in the MCA in a job!

Liferaft on a rib is a complete waste of time but socialism always comes at a cost!
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So do you have them on your charter boats
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Old 03 March 2005, 07:43   #45
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Have you ever thought how many people work in those liferaft repair and service centres and how much of tax payers money goes on keeping those bean counters in the MCA in a job!

Liferaft on a rib is a complete waste of time but socialism always comes at a cost!

You are talking absolute tosh! There are many good reasons to carry a liferaft on a RIB as I think Alan Priddy and his guys will tell you.

What about Fire, collision with a large object, capsize or flipping. All of these can happen inshore and offshore and carrying a liferaft would be prudent if it can be afforded by the user.
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During the fastnet race that was hit by a storm and a number of sailors lost thier lives. The majority of fatalities were from people in liferafts who had abondoned thier boat prematurely. Most boats were found and recovered after the storm and though they were damaged they had managed to stay alfloat even though their crew had abandoned.

Moral: your yacht/ship/rib is the best liferaft you have got, do not be so keen to abandon it to a overgrown lilo with a roof.

I reiterate that these are my oprinions and not the MCA's

I agree with the not leaving your boat until absolutely necessary. However liferafts have come a long way since the fastnet some twenty five years ago. Much larger ballast pockets, sea anchors, beacons, boarding ladders, better stability. Also there is much better training available and in the case of the Fastnet race most of the crew have to have logged a certain amount of offshore racing miles before taking part and also complete a sea survival course.
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Old 03 March 2005, 08:25   #47
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........ However liferafts have come a long way since the fastnet some twenty five years ago...........
Three of the people killed on the 98 Sidney-Hobart race were ‘washed out’ of their liferaft which strikes me as a bit of a design fault, so I am not sure that liferafts have really come a long way I think that they are a last resort that offers slightly improved odds over jumping into the sea with a life jacket on
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Three of the people killed on the 98 Sidney-Hobart race were ‘washed out’ of their liferaft which strikes me as a bit of a design fault, so I am not sure that liferafts have really come a long way I think that they are a last resort that offers slightly improved odds over jumping into the sea with a life jacket on
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That strom was described as a Bomb, we lost a member of our sailing club in that race and he was tethered to the yacht he was skippering at the time. The use of a liferaft would still be essentail in case of fire, sinking etc. There could be othyer circumstances about how those people where washed out fo the raft, was the liferaft fully manned for instance? if it was a 6 man raft with only three persons in it then its not suprising that they where washed from it as it would not have been fully loaded. Anyway, thats just one example. Having serviced liferafts professionally I can tell you that the design has come a long way from the rafts available 25 years ago!
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The owner of the Winston Churchill criticised the life rafts for poor design and inadequate strength, they had two rafts on board one 4 man with 4 men in and on 6 man this 5 in. After the boat sank they entered the life rafts and deployed the drogues which failed by ripping off the d rings and damaging the raft. Both rafts were capsizes during the night.
Comparing lift rafts to car safety improvements in the last 25 yours the lift raft has not really changed that much. Des
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The owner of the Winston Churchill criticised the life rafts for poor design and inadequate strength, they had two rafts on board one 4 man with 4 men in and on 6 man this 5 in. After the boat sank they entered the life rafts and deployed the drogues which failed by ripping off the d rings and damaging the raft. Both rafts were capsizes during the night.
Comparing lift rafts to car safety improvements in the last 25 yours the lift raft has not really changed that much. Des
Well, that might be the case in that occasion, but do we know how old the rafts were, when they were last serviced, were they stored properly, what make they were?
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