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Old 13 February 2005, 09:21   #21
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As to mountings designed to break free remember a RIB is subjected to much higher g force than a normal boat. If they are strong enough to survive the pounding the chances are they won't break free when you need them to.

Have to agree with you there Mr Codprawn.

The reason I asked the question was because we hired a life raft last year for a trip to France. It was a fall back position in the event of fire, and we stowed it in the bow locker.

During the trip we had a tricky 45 minutes when we encountered some big, confused, seas & at one point we all thought there was a real possibility of being flipped. Now here is the dilema; if we had been flipped it would have been very difficult (if not impossible) to retrieve the life raft from the locker. On the other hand, if we had lashed it to the deck the waves crashing down on the boat (some from about 4 metres side on) could possibly have broken it free & we would have lost it overboard.

BTW yes we did have EPIRB & grab bag etc.

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Old 13 February 2005, 09:58   #22
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life raft

I have seen an inflatable system on top of the Aframe that will bring the RIB up on her feet again in case of being flipped over.
This system only works in weatherconditions where there is no extreme wind otherwise the inflatable piece on top of the RIB wil help you flip over again and again. It's a only once action.

In case of fire anyone would leave the boat quicker then you would think. Flames and petrol are an unpleasant combination. Often fire is started at the petrol section of a boat and therefore there will be litlle chance of saving the boat.
When using a raft, I would mount it somewhere up on you boat, at least 1 meter above waterline. I would buy a self-opened system. Just pul one rope and the raft will open. When your boat is flipped over, you will find this rope and raft will open itself.
There are also systems that will inflate when de raft will submerge 1 meter.This the most reliable system for us ribbers.

For one, a good raft will not be flipped over that easy by wind because it has long bags filled with water under the raft to prevent this. A raft is bright red and wel noticed from the air.
A raft has survivalpack that includes dry food, water en flares. Just in case you would drift the wrong way. These last things did save number of lives.

Conclusion. A rib is very save until fire breaks out. You can't stay on a rib that's been flipped over. Mostly you will not find anything back in your RIB when it's flipped over.
So when your make great distances offshore with one boat, I would definitly buy one.

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Old 13 February 2005, 11:56   #23
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When I did my RYA VHF course, I did it with just two other people; a couple who owned a Gin Palace. They are extremly surprised when I said I didn't have a liferaft. I was equally shocked that they thought I would carry one on a 4.1m RIB!

If I had the space I would carry one; you carry an auxilery engine in case your main fails, a spare prop, and even a spare kill-cord. Surly the risk of capsizing/fire breaking out is just as great as other potential risk like falling overboard. Given the boat is your only safe place when out on the sea, surly a liferaft has to be a must if anything happen to your boat?
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Old 13 February 2005, 14:40   #24
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I carry a liferaft, but only because she is coded. The thing is damed heavy (38kgs) requires an expensive annual service and gets in the way. Given a choice I would carry a small inflatable dinghy, much more useful and cheaper unless your venturing out into the great unknown wilderness. Thats past the Needles for speedboats

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Old 14 February 2005, 03:44   #25
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If your boat sinks is one reason?

Just cus you are in a RIB doesn't mean they don't sink.

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Yes but they did NOT use the liferaft!!!
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Hi all...making the decision about a liferaft was a tough one for me during my voyage. I was making open ocean passages, but the fuel I used (biodiesel) was not flammable, so my risk of fire was relatively low. I assumed the boat could burn from an electrical source, but perhaps slower and less explosive in nature. I had very little room, but in the end my final criteria was always safety - so I carried a 6 person offshore raft (wanted it comfortable if I really had to use it!). The best, or perhaps only, location for me was in the cockpit lashed with quick release straps to the cabin. I could shove it over the tubes easily. If inverted, I had a self-righting device on my A-frame which should lift the boat to deploy the raft even if I didn't right fully.

Fortunately I never had to use it - but found with some padding on top it made a very convenient foot rest! I've attached a picture of the boat and of the cockpit for your reference. The raft is at the lower left in the cockpit picture, white with red stripes.
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Yes but they did NOT use the liferaft!!!
That's cos they didn't sink and you stay with the vessel for as long as you can.

BY the way Pete your expensive annual service is booked for next weekend
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That's cos they didn't sink and you stay with the vessel for as long as you can.

BY the way Pete your expensive annual service is booked for next weekend
Thanks, get them to stamp the log book if they can

Sunrider, when are you writing the book ?

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Pete, I've got a lot done, and worked with some people for a year on a video (currently at the bottom of my closet) but I always seem to end up playing around with boats rather than writing - I'm sure you can understand. And I'm not much on promoting - get kind of tired of hearing myself talk - and a book needs promotion to make the effort worthwile. I think the time may have passed - besides, Alan writes well enough and produces enough adventures for all of us! His was the real adventure..mine was more like pushing a fuel barge around the world. thanks for the interest though.
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