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Old 06 June 2010, 07:40   #21
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Old 06 June 2010, 09:51   #22
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Old 06 June 2010, 09:58   #23
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How do you propose Ribcraft predict what colour you would want the boat in?
If your that desperate Humber usually have a few boats already built.
I couldn't really give a monkey's what colour it is as long as it's not pink....

I totally accept that if you want one quickly you can't specify your own build.

But, if you just want a fairly 'standard' setup (like me), it just seems odd that they don't have a few in stock.

If their cashflow is so finely balanced that they can't afford to keep some stock, then I would suggest the company is not as sound as it could be financially.

Or if it's space, then perhaps a larger warehouse might be on the cards. I guess it depends on the management's vision for things - grow the business or keep it at a more personal, medium scale.

I'm pretty confident they could sell lorry loads of their boats in France, but not if they can't make enough for the UK market.......

Isn't that how you come out of a recession? Exporting British made products abroad?
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Old 06 June 2010, 10:19   #24
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I couldn't really give a monkey's what colour it is as long as it's not pink....

I totally accept that if you want one quickly you can't specify your own build.

But, if you just want a fairly 'standard' setup (like me), it just seems odd that they don't have a few in stock.

If their cashflow is so finely balanced that they can't afford to keep some stock, then I would suggest the company is not as sound as it could be financially.

Or if it's space, then perhaps a larger warehouse might be on the cards. I guess it depends on the management's vision for things - grow the business or keep it at a more personal, medium scale.

I'm pretty confident they could sell lorry loads of their boats in France, but not if they can't make enough for the UK market.......

Isn't that how you come out of a recession? Exporting British made products abroad?
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Old 06 June 2010, 10:34   #25
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But, if you just want a fairly 'standard' setup (like me), it just seems odd that they don't have a few in stock.
Standard is what exactly, one jockey or two, what design console?

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If their cashflow is so finely balanced that they can't afford to keep some stock, then I would suggest the company is not as sound as it could be financially.
Whats the point in having a RIB sat there doing nothing taking up space when they have a full order book.
Might be worth having a word with Jace before you go suggesting his company isn't finacially sound.


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I'm pretty confident they could sell lorry loads of their boats in France, but not if they can't make enough for the UK market.......

Isn't that how you come out of a recession? Exporting British made products abroad?

If you that confident you could sell them in France why not buy a few standard models and sell them on yourself?
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Old 06 June 2010, 12:18   #26
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Standard is what exactly, one jockey or two, what design console?


Whats the point in having a RIB sat there doing nothing taking up space when they have a full order book.
Might be worth having a word with Jace before you go suggesting his company isn't finacially sound.




If you that confident you could sell them in France why not buy a few standard models and sell them on yourself?
Ribcraft must know what they sell most of. If it's two jockeys with basic console, then make a few of them.

If there is demand for more boats, then why not make them? Higher turnover should = higher profits. I did not suggest they were not financially sound. Someone else, said stock = cashflow issues = problem.

I have no interest in trading ribs thanks. But clearly there is an untapped market opportunity for them if they are interested in taking it. I would imagine at least 500 ribs are sold each year in France, just a few % market share would be beneficial to the company surely?

Interesting that there is such an energetic defence of the company. It clearly has a loyal following which speak well of the quality of it's boats. As a buyer with 20 000 Euros burning a hole in my pocket, I am simply offering my observations as someone who will buy a rib this summer. If I end up buying a Humber or a Bombard because they have stock, is that good for Ribcraft?
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Old 06 June 2010, 12:24   #27
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If I end up buying a Humber or a Bombard because they have stock, is that good for Ribcraft?
No but then you get what you pay for.
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No but then you get what you pay for.
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Old 06 June 2010, 13:44   #29
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Ribcraft must know what they sell most of. If it's two jockeys with basic console, then make a few of them.
or perhaps with such a wide range of boats there is no obvious "pattern"; or the pattern is that the 4.8m is one of their less popular boats, so they don't hold stock. I am sure I have seen mention of them selling a boat which was ex stock in the past? Perhaps an ex demo boat? Or perhaps their stock boats have all been sold since its the start of the season and demand is high.
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If there is demand for more boats, then why not make them?
that suggests they are losing out on a significant number of boats because of a 3 month wait. You are the first person I've heard complain about such a short wait - so that probably suggests they are not missing too many orders.
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Higher turnover should = higher profits.
not if reduced lead time means higher costs, overstaffing during market fluctuations etc
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I did not suggest they were not financially sound. Someone else, said stock = cashflow issues = problem.
no I didn't. I said stock = cash tied up. I didn't say that it would give them a problem, I just said that it was a bad idea, especially in current climate, to tie up your cash in stock when the majority of your customers are happy with (or may even prefer) built to order.
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I have no interest in trading ribs thanks. But clearly there is an untapped market opportunity for them if they are interested in taking it. I would imagine at least 500 ribs are sold each year in France, just a few % market share would be beneficial to the company surely?
to sell 10 ribs a year in france you probably need a salesman on the ground in france, with demo boat(s), and the ability to provide aftersales backup etc. Thats a lot of commitment for the possibility of selling 10 boats, in a market which probably would rather buy "french" and where a large sector of the market is buying "med style" ribs rather than the "british style" ribs which Ribcraft sell.
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Interesting that there is such an energetic defence of the company. It clearly has a loyal following which speak well of the quality of it's boats.
Few of the responses here are from RibCraft owners. I've been impressed by the boats when I've been on them - but its unlikely that my next boat will be a ribcraft, but if a new build it will almost certainly take 3 months or more to arrive. That strikes me as realistic.

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As a buyer with 20 000 Euros burning a hole in my pocket, I am simply offering my observations as someone who will buy a rib this summer.
Perhaps your not RibCraft's target market though. You don't seem to want a bespoke boat. Ribcraft make bespoke boats.
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If I end up buying a Humber or a Bombard because they have stock, is that good for Ribcraft?
Possibly: Impatient or unrealistic customers are possibly customers who don't really know what they want, and so give them aftersales and support headaches anyway.

One final observation - the long lead time for Ribcraft, and a few other sought after brands, may in part explain why they seem to retain high second hand values. If I can buy a new boat off the shelf a 1 yr old boat is clearly worth less. If there is a long wait for a new boat then a 1yr old boat looks more attractive. Likewise the manufacturer is able to keep his prices relatively high as he's not got any old stock he needs to "discount" to move on, as say Humber seem to.
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Bernit,

I reccomend a visit to Ribcraft, they dont do volume and dont have enough people to do stock. The people that do stock always have to make a profit so something somewhere has to give.

Ribcraft are not Delta either so arent quoting prices that look like a phone numbers. Not that Deltas costs are not justified. Ricraft are probably still stuck in a production run for something/someone else. When we had our boat built last year they'd just tendered for and won a big UN deal for some patrol boats.

I'm impressed with our boat and impressed they got the propping right. Also very impressed impressed with the Suzuki 175 4 stroke. Monstrous torque and still only burns the same fuel as our old 100hp Yam 4 (carbs)
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