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Old 27 September 2008, 16:23   #11
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And no you wouldn't sail a narrow channel in busy waters.

You've not sailed down south for a while then? The god-given right of every chinless wonder with a bray far exceeding Shrek's friend to tack across every busy channel is regularly asserted.
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Old 27 September 2008, 17:00   #12
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Hmm interesting thread .. I cant help feeling that a lot of your thinking Ian could be applied to a lot about society today.. I for one have a foot in both camps of seamanship, sail, and rib,.

If the general assumption is that ribbers are less 'educated' ,its to my mind,.. unfounded, Yachties are guilty of as many misdemeanours, some sailors are just plain 'ignorant'

Last week .. we had a situation where sailors piled into a berth without noticing we had a swinging mooring, and were very negligent of our needs,.. needless to say kedge anchor was deployed to prevent us hitting them, but despite the fact we were anchored well before them,.. they kept piling in,.. so I think the rules of the sea and etiquette are definitely going .. only their premiums for the damage they have to pay for, will perhaps make them think, and perhaps therein lies a part of the problem.

Having being brought up on the briney I have to say I've made it home for my lunch, when others would have had me lost at sea there are a lot of people out there who dont realise the severity of what the sea can do.

Just a couple of months ago, whilst fishing, we took a force six breaker broadside,. we made our way out of it with a boat full of water,.. and thanked our skills and preparation for what was always an inevitability in the place we were fishing. I heard the sound of my grand fathers voice laughing at me, but,.. with a sound of confidence, that he was satisfied, that it was a lesson learned, as he would have said,... but in his day , his boat was only made of wood ! We must be wimps compared to some of them
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Old 27 September 2008, 18:55   #13
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I think everyone would agree that this between sailing and power is nonsense. I know that some people with sail boats think they are boating the only way boating should be done and you will give way (bit like inner-city bus drivers). And some power boaters are the hooded joy riders of the sea's.
But as Bigmuz said, it's just like the whole society. Mods and rockers, hoodies and chavs, Bert and Ernie.
But the true boater, no matter how he's being pushed along will have respect for his own safety and everyone else at sea.
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Old 27 September 2008, 19:08   #14
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You've not sailed down south for a while then? The god-given right of every chinless wonder with a bray far exceeding Shrek's friend to tack across every busy channel is regularly asserted.
No, never have but I've heard the stories.
You get idiots everywhere though, I sat on my dads boat once 2 hours before high tide and watched some complete idiots racing to get out of the dock gates. You normally get one or two but on this day they all seemed to try and go at once. Tiny little sail boats with 4hp outboards trying to get through the narrow gates at full wack before a huge bayliner, only to find that little handle he'd found flushed the toilet and wasn't a handbrake.
Two similar sized yachts, two similar Tom Hankers stood on the fly bridges, one hand on the wheel shouting at each other as they both motored towards the local surveyor boat that looks after the wind turbines.
Best of all was this guy in a broom, bounced off 3 boats, the wall which made his poor little dog go over board (which the marina launch boat retrieved) only to finally get out only to be brought back a few hours later by the lifeboat because he'd ran aground in morcambe bay because he was to busy trying to get his radar working.

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Reading those posts in sequence would suggest that perhaps the lack of subtlety was what they/we disagreed with. It's like an new Etec owner asking the forum how to winterise his engine. "RTFM" immediately springs to mind but the answers tend to be gentler, and the lesson is easier to learn.....
My lessons are learnt the hard way, not 'RTFM'. How about yourself?..........

It's nothing 'like' an Etec owner that can't be arsed to 'RTFM', but knows how to not bury his boat.

willk, hop aboard the 'bollocks' bandwagon if that's where you feel most comfortable, I wont be joining you.
So, if I don't 'toe' the majority line, I'm going to become an object of ridicule from the likes of yourself and other 'bandwagon' hoppers that spend a great deal more time key tapping than experiencing the pastime which they speak of so authoritatively.

It's a shame that there's not a 'w**ker' smilie on this site.
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My lessons are learnt the hard way, not 'RTFM'. How about yourself?..........

It's nothing 'like' an Etec owner that can't be arsed to 'RTFM', but knows how to not bury his boat.

willk, hop aboard the 'bollocks' bandwagon if that's where you feel most comfortable, I wont be joining you.
So, if I don't 'toe' the majority line, I'm going to become an object of ridicule from the likes of yourself and other 'bandwagon' hoppers that spend a great deal more time key tapping than experiencing the pastime which they speak of so authoritatively.

It's a shame that there's not a 'w**ker' smilie on this site.
Yep, that's about what I expected!

Ok, I'm your Huckleberry...


http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26435

If you wait two and a half years for your first saltwater service, it will indeed, be a hard learned lesson. Myself? I read TFM.
Oh, and they haven't even INVENTED the smilie we need.

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Oh, and they haven't even INVENTED the smilie we need.

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Also a sailor. When I bought my first catamaran I had a few close calls when caught out in big winds. Once had to abandon it inverted tied to a tanker bouy just south of Largs after it did a reverse pitch pole to windward when a F7 squall hit the fleet. Flipped so fast and turtled that my crew got partially stuck under the boat in the ropes and it spooked him a bit. Got it back with the help of two RIBs a few hours later. Worked out what I did wrong and know what to do the next time. Would not have learnt how to sail it properly if I had not pushed it a bit each time and taken some risks. Now can handle nasty weather without much fear of a capsize or breakage. I could have played safe and forever sailed a wayfarer or equivalent tub with a big reef in the sail.

Mollers - There is a difference between someone who puts the necks and gear of others at risk and someone who limits the risks to their own in the pursuit of increasing their skills.

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Reading those posts in sequence would suggest that perhaps the lack of subtlety was what they/we disagreed with. It's like an new Etec owner asking the forum how to winterise his engine. "RTFM" immediately springs to mind but the answers tend to be gentler, and the lesson is easier to learn.....
Funnily enough the way I read it he was looking for "particular tips" over and above the FM, I'm alway looking for these, to me,this forum should be a place to ask experienced people (ETEC's in this instance)for things from real life sometimes not mentioned in the FM, that will improve the whole process.
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