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Old 20 July 2004, 14:50   #1
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which fire extinguisher

my job title is contacts manager

and i am a partner is a fire protection company so i should know
i can provide clients with fire risk assements or provides a deluge sprinkler
system for a power station. but i had a bit of a heated discussion about
fire extinguishers to day with our engineer i wanted to up grade my 0.6kg
dry powder with a bigger 2 kg dry powder as the little one was nicked from one of our vans and was only temp any one with a 0.6kg car type should
change over to a bigger type due to the fact it would have more impact throwing it over the side and hopeing the splash put the fire out
so which type of extinguisher to use as most are not designed for use at sea
or in the open most out door types are 9kg to big of a rib under 5m

CO2 no good out side wind would blow it away
halon the best ever but 200 pound fine per kg if the old bill find it on you
AFFF or Foam the best for fire fighting for petrol fire
dry powder very good all rounder and it floats on the sea

i went for the 2kg dry powder but the engineer wanted me to put foam in
both are free as they come from the stores what do you lot think

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Old 20 July 2004, 15:06   #2
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Bottom line is have one. Anything is better than nothing at all. But a fire on a Rib, has to be serious, assuming it a petrol motor, petrol doesn't burn it explodes, I think most occupants will be straight over the side rather than stay and watch the fireworks.
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Old 20 July 2004, 15:15   #3
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That's right. I have to have 2 * Dry powder 1kgs each, 2 lt foam(foam is going out as per new Code of Practices) and a fire blanket(not a coding requirement).
If I had a fire, with 40 gallons of U/L on board I would be over the side dragging my clients with me, (well I would push them first!!!!).

Boat is insured. OK a fireman pupil last week said he would try a 1 kg DP then get as far away as possible!!!!!
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Having tried to set light to a bath full of petrol/oil mix after AFFF had been put on the surface I have no doubt which I will always have on my boat. Amazing stuff and being a liquid that turns to foam you stand a chance of using it at sea rather than powder.

That said there is an auto clean gas one in the engine bay.

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Having tried to set light to a bath full of petrol/oil mix after AFFF had been put on the surface I have no doubt which I will always have on my boat. Amazing stuff and being a liquid that turns to foam you stand a chance of using it at sea rather than powder.

That said there is an auto clean gas one in the engine bay.

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all auto engine fire system are dry powder not foam but foam is better for
petrol i think it as to do with the type of service required for each stored
pressure dry powder can last up it 5 years being checked each year were foam as to be replaced a shorter time

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Dan, the auto fire ext is deffinately one of the new clean gas ones not dry powder.


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i get you
you have a enclosed engine bay so you can have a gas system
ie fm200 or inergen and argon all are replacements for halon but are only about 60% as good i bet the service check on that cost a bomb

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We use plumbed in system's in race cars, cars and boats can be replaced, people can't.
If nobody is in danger get as far away as possible and leave it to the professionals
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It makes me sick that they stopped the Halon extinguishers - by far the most effective - carried on all public transport vehicles etc. Apparently it damages the ozone layer - and a burning car or Rib doesn't?

Another really stupid moves was to make all extinguishers red - some EU law I think. It was so much easier under the old system - Green for Halon - Red for water - black for CO2 etc - simple! In thick smoke you really don't have time to stop and read the bloody lable!!!!

I think a fire blanket would be quite usefull for an outboard fire - just chuck it over the cowl - a tailored one would be even better.
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Actually it is NOT illegal to possess a Halon extinguisher - just to use it!!! So if you have one on your RIB and it catches fire you must sit and watch it burn.............

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...one/halons.htm


Just noticed some people ARE still allowed to use Halon

The list of Critical Uses of Halon, taken from Annex VII of the new EC Regulation is as follows.

Use of Halon 1301 will permitted :
In aircraft for the protection of crew compartments, engine nacelles, cargo bays and dry bays.
In military land vehicles and naval vessels for the protection of spaces occupied by personnel and engine compartments.
For the making inert of occupied spaces where flammable liquid and/or gas release could occur in the military and oil, gas and petrochemical sector, and in existing cargo ships.
For the making inert of existing manned communication and command centres of the armed forces or others, essential for national security.
For the making inert of spaces where there may be a risk of dispersion of radioactive matter.
In the Channel Tunnel and associated installations and rolling stock.


Use of Halon 1211 will be permitted :
In hand-held fire extinguishers and fixed extinguisher equipment for engines for use on board aircraft.
In aircraft for the protection of crew compartments, engine nacelles, cargo bays and dry bays.
In fire extinguishers essential to personal safety used for initial extinguishing by fire brigades.
In military and police fire extinguishers for use on persons.
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