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Old 01 August 2014, 14:49   #61
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havent they got hairy armpits? etc etc etc
YES! Stay away from them Oh and they never shower, and use way too much perfume.

I learned how to do a full brazilian wax She's a keeper
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Old 01 August 2014, 15:47   #62
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There are many occasions when they are just not necessary, for goodness sake!
Ok I'll bite. Maybe you'd share a few examples of many occasions you wouldn't wear a PFD on a RIB under way?
As for what business it is of mine? Have you ever searched for a body with the man's wife and children looking down on you day after day where a PFD or LJ might at least have spared them the agony of an almost hopeless search for closure?
I've had holes put in my own RIB on two occasions plus a prop strike searching rough coastlines in the worst possible conditions. I've spoken to people going to sea without a PFD and never once got a positive response. Does any of that make it my business? Not how I'd put it but it is a raw subject and no one on the thread seems to have come up with any facts or examples to rebut the specific incidences of lives lost that could have been prevented by wearing a PFD.

Nor have any falling at speed experts related first or even secondhand experience of people falling out of RIBs at speed, much less why a PFD wouldn't be a good idea when making passage.

Bottom line is PFDs like Kill Cords save lives but neither can really be enforced and I'd hate to do my boating where the authorities tried to. We are all free to wear them or not but a lot of others have to deal with the consequences when we make bad decisions.
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Old 04 August 2014, 01:16   #64
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We are all free to wear them or not but a lot of others have to deal with the consequences when we make bad decisions.
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Old 04 August 2014, 02:58   #65
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Ok I'll bite. Maybe you'd share a few examples of many occasions you wouldn't wear a PFD on a RIB under way?
As for what business it is of mine? Have you ever searched for a body with the man's wife and children looking down on you day after day where a PFD or LJ might at least have spared them the agony of an almost hopeless search for closure?
I've had holes put in my own RIB on two occasions plus a prop strike searching rough coastlines in the worst possible conditions. I've spoken to people going to sea without a PFD and never once got a positive response. Does any of that make it my business? Not how I'd put it but it is a raw subject and no one on the thread seems to have come up with any facts or examples to rebut the specific incidences of lives lost that could have been prevented by wearing a PFD.

Nor have any falling at speed experts related first or even secondhand experience of people falling out of RIBs at speed, much less why a PFD wouldn't be a good idea when making passage.

Bottom line is PFDs like Kill Cords save lives but neither can really be enforced and I'd hate to do my boating where the authorities tried to. We are all free to wear them or not but a lot of others have to deal with the consequences when we make bad decisions.
Nicely said, many examples of people making bad decisions, its a case of most people dont think they will need one but it always seems to be those times that something bad happens, better to wear one and not need one than need one and not have it on.

Incident about a year ago two recreational fishermen in a small dingy crossing the sheltered waters of Pool Harbour to get to their fishing boat, they fall out of the dingy, one person never recovered.

Another example - three weekens ago I was in Swanage Bay and spotted a small williams tender with three onboard going max out across a still bay, sunny weather, a tight turn and one of the women flies off out the back, she was wearing a life jacket so it self inflated and she was picked up, what hit me was she allthough ok was definately pretty shaken up by the incident and you could see she was phyiscaly shaking, if she hadnt had a life jacket on I would imagien she would have got into difficulties through panacking and the shock. So even though weather was lovely and conditions fine they had an incident and a life jacket being worn probably made a big difference and prevented further issues.
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As a newbie to ribbing, i have followed this with interest.Having sailed and kayaked for a number of years, all i can say is that personally, i would never venture onto the water without either a BA or LJ.
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Old 04 August 2014, 07:18   #68
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Classic yeaterday ..a heavilly ( but not over) loaded Alumnium Linder 4m boat sunk/ swamped in the run at Mudeford. The ILB was virtually in shouting distance and the sinking boat literally tens of yards from the quay and lots of other people and boats...

The adults had LJ on and the kids didn't ....they (kids and adults) were clearly cold and shocked by the entire event - even though they were in the ILB in seconds.

I think they'll get some kids jackets now ( if they go out again!) after all its not like they are valuable ?
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It's like cyclists.

I see parents with helmets on but their children aren't wearing one....?
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Crikey, Adults who put kids in LJs but don't wear them themselves* are bad enough, but Adults only buying them for themselves is even worse i guess.

*inferring that you don't need them when you are older for whatever reason. Do as i say but not as i do.

My brother for one, who I boll**ed recently when i saw photos. He said he didn't have one, yet my neice then piped up he had said he didn't need one. They were doing a trip around Anglesey in a bayliner (bad enough) with about 5 others. I asked why he thought he didn't need one and he said it was sunny so he reckoned he could swim to shore at any point. He does no sport, is very overweight and unfit and they drank all the way around. His 10 year daughter stood more chance of swimming to shore. No radio, CG66 form or flares i'm aware of, your perfect candidate for the RNLI volunteers to have to fish out. Fell on deaf ears. Trouble is it is symptomatic of how our parents treated the sea. We had lifejackets, they didn't. They drank too, and more than a couple of refreshing beers, he has followed suit. I did too until a few years back :-(
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