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Old 29 July 2014, 12:10   #21
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...and I'd second that. Unfortunately the next new thread will probably be about insurance, tube cleaners or "which SIB?"
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Old 29 July 2014, 12:16   #22
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When the sun comes out, out goes safety..

I've been on car forums for years.

I don't think I've EVER seen a thread about a driver not wearing a seatbelt.
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Old 29 July 2014, 12:31   #23
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I've been on car forums for years.

I don't think I've EVER seen a thread about a driver not wearing a seatbelt.
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As a relative newbie to having a rib and being on this forum (6months) . I have found some of the safety threads useful maybe not the original 'look at these idiots' but the follow on comments have taught me stuff .

When I eventually become a hardened sinic and these threads become monotonous surely rather than add fuel by commenting about them I will just ignore it and leave it for newbies .or add something that may help newbies .

I do for what my I experienced view is worth think the photo of these guys put on here was wrong . If you are that annoyed then you should have challenged them there and then .

Would the car driver that you flashed for cutting you up give you the v sign if it happened on foot ?



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Old 29 July 2014, 15:47   #25
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...and I'd second that. Unfortunately the next new thread will probably be about insurance, tube cleaners or "which SIB?"
I heard a rumour that a RIB owner who posts on here a lot actually bought a HH VHF without posting on here first. Clearly I've had a word and I think he understood the error of his ways...
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I heard a rumour that a RIB owner who posts on here a lot actually bought a HH VHF without posting on here first. Clearly I've had a word and I think he understood the error of his ways...

I was thinking of getting one .. What do you recommend ?
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Just had to look up dilligaf ... Get it now . See you can get something from every thread .


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So would this be the wrong place to bring up that is legal to drink and operate a boat in California as long as you don't go over the .08 blood alcohol level?
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Didn't know that about the enforcement across the waters interesting.
To clarify: Federal Law in the US says that every child 12 and under on a vessel underway must wear a properly fitted USCG approved flotation device, unless said child is below decks in a berth or in a cabin. There are exclusions for passenger ferries and such, but for recreational, they must have them on.

As of yet, there is no requirements for adults or teens to wear them (though local or state laws may overrule that); but the vessel must have at least one Type 1 (offshore, 22lb buoyancy), 2 (nearshore, 15.5lb), or 3 (buoyancy aid, 15.5lb) PFD on board for each individual who is not wearing a Type 5 (Special Use) PFD.

Local and State laws may restrict usage (mandating usage to higher degree then the feds require), but they cannot relax the Federal requirements.


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Wow - lots of discussion and several people have already responded well to some of the questions and points raised but let me try deal with a few points directed at me.
First I did hesitate about posting a picture of people going about their business and I know most people on here don't question the sense about wearing PFDs. However some of the comments show a few people believe there are circumstances where they're not required.

The original photo is very high resolution and the people would be easily identified but I reduced resolution and blurred out all the faces. I also didn't leave any landmarks in the photo nor did I say where it was taken. I thought it worth sharing to help reduce the risk of complacency when the sun shines.

Would I be pissed if someone posted a photo online of me being a prat about safety? Probably but it might make me reconsider what I was doing as a skipper with responsibility for my crews safety. Whether he was likely to be on Ribnet and see the photo I don't know but it might encourage someone on here to take stock.

I've been involved in a couple of SAR operations - the most recent being where a couple of people made a mistake about what was safe to do and paid the ultimate price and I think bugging a few people off with a photo is preferable to wringing hands after a minor error results in a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

I have another photo of the boat about 500metres offshore inbound so confirm absolutely there were no PFDs being worn. As Wilk pointed out in Ireland it is the law but not why I wear one nor should it be why any skipper enforces them.

I suppose I could have gone down and had a word with the skipper but in no particular order, it was a very hot day, I had a nice cold drink in front of me, it was shot from about 400 meters away on a big image stabilized lens and I doubt my public observations would have been welcomed, plus it wouldn't have helped much if there were no PFDs on the RIB.

On the question about whether I've fallen out of a RIB at 20+ knots, No - not yet. However I have hit the water at 20-30 knots off wakeboards, skis, sailboards and donuts. Generally when the angle of incidence to the water is shallow I've skipped or bounced but sometimes I've gone very deep indeed. I've often been properly winded afterward and damn glad of a PFD. I have seen people on at least three occasions fall out of a planing RIB. Twice just wearing Diving Semidrys which are very buoyant and once wearing a PFD. In each case the height of the tubes on a planing RIB added to the bounce height that sent them out meant they plumbed deep into the water and scared the wits out of everyone with how far the boat had traveled and how much time elapsed before the MOB surfaced.

Regarding wearing a PFD for short row to a moored boat on a sunny day, if you could walk out then a PFD is probably a waste of time ( maybe the dinghy is too!) However a local incident happened a few years ago where a man rowed his dinghy to a mooring not 50 feet from the quay while wearing an autoinflate jacket hardened my attitude to short distances. The man toppled out of the dinghy while grabbing his mooring and drowned in front of his wife watching on the quay. It turned out the jacket had been damaged during manufacture. It was sunny day and he did everything right.

So I have my reasons for posting the picture - I don't expect everyone to agree - it'd be a boring forum if we all did agree. But I did want to raise awareness but relax I'm not going to say " and if even one person...."
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