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Old 23 January 2007, 16:42   #11
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I used to crew occasionally on the Richmond Venturer, a Dutch barge specially converted and equipped to be fully wheelchair accessible. That has the track and clamp system that NautiAndNice described, but without wheelchair access to the boat there's probably not much point trying to attach a wheelchair to the boat. It seems the obvious solution at first, but may actually be way down the list of good solutions in practice.

Thanks NautiAndNice and Colin F for adding contributing some real expertise to the discussion. I love it when RIBnet comes up with the goods like this!

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Old 23 January 2007, 16:53   #12
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If looking to spend money on a boat or even just a seat specially for a disabled person I would recommend speaking to an expert or someone whoi has done this job before and done it well.
We bought a Ribeye 785 at work and part of the speck for the boat was that we could allow disabled people to drive it. Not a problem they said we'll fit a 'sculpture wrap around' seat. They said they had done this before for people and I've seen a lot of these seats in their boats.
Any way, they place they have put the seat is reduculous. I am 6'2" and if I sit in the seat and sit in it properly without leaning forward I can not reach to puch the throttle past 2000rpm and can not see over the console well enough to drive at any sort of speed! If I cna't drive the boat from the seat how is a smaller less abled person going to get on? Although the seat is in tracks (as they do on all their boats) they have sikaflexed it to the deck so it can not be moved or removed without ripping the gelcoat off the deck! If the seat was higher and further forward it would be ideal as the boat gives a relatively smoth ride most of the time due to its size and the seat does give good support.
Unless you know the ability of the persons who will be driving the boat it may also be worth considering a top mounted throttle so an assistant could operate the throttle from the seat next to them if required.
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Old 23 January 2007, 17:42   #13
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I know someone is completely paralyzed from the waist down. She is extremely active, drives her self around all over the country, etc etc.

Iíve often pondered on whether it would be feasible to take a her out in a rib. I saw the guys who run the Quinquri (or however its spelt) operation out of St Peter Port in Guernsey lift a lady from her chair into the rib, but she appeared to have reasonable use of her legs. Having just read this thread it seems the biggest problem is seating.

Do people think it would be possible/comfortable/a good idea to develop a system whereby the person was lifted into the boat in their chair, and stayed in the chair; basically a system for securing the chair to the deck of the boat. I would think this would be a lot more comfortable for them....
PLease forgive me for asying, but I think you have all lost the plot.
Question 1. Does a chair float in the vertical position A. It doesnt float at all..
Question 2. Why then would you strap someone to this chair? A. FFFD If I know.
Question 3. Is it important we give the chair a comfortable ride, if at all? A. No not at all,
Question 4. THen why bring it along? A. FFFD if I know.


NOw lets look after the customer, not the chair.......
The wood from the trees boys!
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Old 23 January 2007, 18:40   #14
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Try a front loader.

You may want to look at a front loading rib. A good friend of mine has one. I believe it is a Prestige. The ramp lowers and was originally designed to scoop casualties out of the water by lowering the ramp and driving forward slowly. Trevor had his modified so that you can drive a wheel chair onto it. We have used it off firm shingle and off a pontoon and a slipway, works well.
As you can see we had no problem with a high speed run down the Thames.
The third picture gives you a view of the ramp along with my son's charming boat race.
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Old 24 January 2007, 03:54   #15
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I know someone is completely paralyzed from the waist down. She is extremely active, drives her self around all over the country, etc etc.

I’ve often pondered on whether it would be feasible to take a her out in a rib. I saw the guys who run the Quinquri (or however its spelt) operation out of St Peter Port in Guernsey lift a lady from her chair into the rib, but she appeared to have reasonable use of her legs. Having just read this thread it seems the biggest problem is seating.

Do people think it would be possible/comfortable/a good idea to develop a system whereby the person was lifted into the boat in their chair, and stayed in the chair; basically a system for securing the chair to the deck of the boat. I would think this would be a lot more comfortable for them....
Hi Tim,
Redbay built a boat a number of years ago called "Bouncer" that was fully adapted for wheelchair use. I had a look at her and the engineering and thought that went into her was very impressive.
BAsically you could "lift" a wheelchair from either a pontoon, via on board ramp or hoist the chair from a peir using an pole/winch system. Once the person was onboard they slid themself into a cradle and could move around the boat using a rail system suspended from the roof. The system let the person move from seat to seat including the drivers, alowing them to drive or navigate.
The whole system works superbly.
I looked a system to fit onto my boat that was designed for fitment into Buses and taxis. It was a rail type system that you ratched the chair down to. Looked a good thing but in the end it was proving to be difficult to fit retrospectivly and after carrying a few disabled passengers we found the high back seats combined with the harness to be very good and comfortable by the users.
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Old 24 January 2007, 04:35   #16
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Boatability at Port Solent have adapted Dory's for teaching RYA courses on .
Mike Holt of Sailability did a course there and was impressed with it .
May be they could help advise.
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Old 24 January 2007, 04:42   #17
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Do you think your friend would be able to sit at one end of the bench seat in Nashers Revenge just for a taster in good seas?

As you know there is a handle on the tubes to hang on to, and we could strap a bolster around the base of the seat to hold her sideways.

Let me know if you'd like to try it.

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Old 24 January 2007, 06:13   #18
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PLease forgive me for asying, but I think you have all lost the plot.
Question 1. Does a chair float in the vertical position A. It doesnt float at all..
Question 2. Why then would you strap someone to this chair? A. FFFD If I know.
Question 3. Is it important we give the chair a comfortable ride, if at all? A. No not at all,
Question 4. THen why bring it along? A. FFFD if I know.


NOw lets look after the customer, not the chair.......
The wood from the trees boys!
The whole reason for putting the chair in the boat was from something Colin F said in that other thread about how sitting on a jockey seat for a while was quite tiring on the arms. Since wheel chairs are designed to be sat in all the time, I would have thought that that would be the most comfortable place for the person to sit. I know the person I refered to before finds sitting on vertually any seat other than her wheel chair quite uncomfortable.

Nasher many thanks for all your suggestions and help. I have PMd you.
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The whole reason for putting the chair in the boat was from something Colin F said in that other thread about how sitting on a jockey seat for a while was quite tiring on the arms. Since wheel chairs are designed to be sat in all the time, I would have thought that that would be the most comfortable place for the person to sit. I know the person I refered to before finds sitting on vertually any seat other than her wheel chair quite uncomfortable.

Nasher many thanks for all your suggestions and help. I have PMd you.
Tim,

I am the same, my wheelchair is more comfy than any sofa, cinema chair etc by a long way. The big thing is though while it offers support for daily use pushing around, sitting still, up kerbs, down steps etc I dont feel it would offer enough support to the back for on a boat in some conditions. At that point a higher back rest would be needed. To give you an idea, and this is again level specific, my backrest is 12" high, which includes a 3" foam cushion (squashed to 1 1/2" with my bum on). This means the top of the backrest is in the T12 / L1 area of my back, approx the top of the small of the back.

The picture of the seat 'Hamster' has used is the same as mine and works really well. I had the sides trimmed a bit extra to make geting on and off a bit easier though. I also went to ribcraft during the build stage to set the position of the seat so i reach everything easily and comfortably. As i am a bit of a shortie, it does mean my lanky friends bang their knees on the console a bit, but they adapt well
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Old 24 January 2007, 22:06   #20
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I have been diving with quads and paras for years in all kind of seas, never in a rib thou anxious to try, a friend (para) is going to make our maiden trip this spring. Chairs have wedged into the dive boats (against the tank rack etc.) we have been on and not had a problem. The larger the rib probably the better the ride for a chair. My rib will do 40mph and I can not open it up with my wife aboard (she is able body) so we will adjust the speed to the need chair
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