Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 18 March 2004, 07:46   #21
Trade member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,859
n daxi file mou (pronounciation is phonetic)?????
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 08:05   #22
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Whitstable
Boat name: Tango
Make: Avon and Narwhal2.4m
Length: 4m +
Engine: 60HP Yamaha
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 966
All said and done i think i'd still swim, for a start i know half the local RNLI crew and the piss taking for years to come would be horrendous, last time i broke down 4 miles out i contemplated making a call to a friend who could have launched within an hour and been with us half hour after that, we were not in a nasty place and managed to moor up to a local bouy as we drifted past, luckily after lots of hitting the engine with large things and lots of swearing it desided to start again and we plodded home very slowly, i'd have to be either dying fast or out of coffee to call the RNLI out , oh and one other point, why is it i can get perfect mobile reception 7 miles out in the channel but cant get a signal in my living room ?

One good thing though having been through the shit and survived it, i now have escape plans and am fairly self surficent, when out locally.

Rat
__________________

__________________
Bilge Rat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 08:08   #23
Member
 
Country: Greece
Town: Gloucetsreshire
Boat name: GATO DI MARE
Make: MAR.CO
Length: 9m +
Engine: Yamaha 200Vmax
MMSI: 235027678
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,339
Send a message via MSN to Manos Send a message via Yahoo to Manos Send a message via Skype™ to Manos
Quote:
Originally posted by tim griffin
n daxi file mou (pronounciation is phonetic)?????
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk
Kanena provlima
Manos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 08:11   #24
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
Whilst cloaked in a veneer of humour, the early posts on this thread have probably identified the real gravity of a "RIB flip" situation - you're completely f***ed.

So, what about primary safety - don't get in that situation in the first place.

There's quite an archive of written material on the subject. Probably the first thing to do is read Enda O'Coineen's account of trying to right his capsized Zodiac (he failed, even though well prepared for the event). Also there's Mike Deacon's account of recovering from rolling Hot Lemon (an earlier open one, not the cabin RIB) - if I remember correctly, he was carrying mini-flares in his lifejacket and was able to attract attention.

Documented recoveries (including RNLI and Enda O'Coineen's second transatlantic RIB flip) involve the use of a an inflatable righting bag.

Your 4m RIB might be recoverable. If I remember correctly, a chap called Toby Budd is quite proficient at righting a 4m Gemini GRX cat RIB - might be worth a search here on RIBnet. http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....i+grx#post9684
Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 08:52   #25
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Great Harwood, Lancs
Boat name: Tigger II
Make: Bombardier Aerodeck
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 25HP
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 626
Hi folks

Flipping a RIB, for all but small RIBs or those with self righting I belive is a ONE WAY TRIP

I know if I flipped my RIB their is NO WAY i would right it, however many people we had on board.

Working on this I decide to plan to make the best of things, and just a few thoughts that you may want to consider.

1) Its going to happen fast
2) your going in with what your wearing, no time to add extra waterproofs etc
3) your nice VHF is useless with the aerial etc underwater, even if it would still work, and the mic can reach the surface.

so what else can you get help with or help you survive

flares, can you get into the locker they are on a upturned RIB ?.
If they are in a tub can you open them or overcome the buoyancy needed to get them under the water andout from under the hull.

EPIRB, can you get at that, most dont float free and wont set of in their holder.

Spare VHF, can you get at it, why not always carry in in your pocket.

Ropes, nice to always put away but how easy is it to stop on a upturned deep V without something to hold onto.

Drysuit, could buy you many extra hours in or out of the water.

Could you still deploy the anchor is needed?.


Lots if things, hope if never happens, but it if does will all your plans that people put in place for emergencys still work ?.

Saying that we never go out in any conditions that would ever turn a RIB over

Regards Gary
__________________
Garygee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 10:51   #26
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Whitstable
Boat name: Tango
Make: Avon and Narwhal2.4m
Length: 4m +
Engine: 60HP Yamaha
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 966
All joking aside i think Richard B and Gary are correct, remembering if you flip your rib its normally going to be in dire conditions anyway you've fat chance of writting it on your own, so the next best thing is recover as much safety kit as possible and call for help.

R
__________________
Bilge Rat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 16:44   #27
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Wilmslow
Boat name: Serotonin
Make: Quicksilver
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mariner 15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 712
Manos size matters, I witnessed a 2m sib complete with 2hp outboard capsize on lake Windermere due to some fat B*****D opening the throttle whilst sat in the back of the boat. Needless to say we went very quickly base over apex, I don't think he valued his boat as much as you, since he just P****D off leaving us to recover from the laughter and quckly recover his boat by picking it up from the end of the jetty.

But seriously if you want to right a rib you have to start with something big so that when it happens to you in your smaller rib, you are confident in your ability to F**k up again. Therefore follow these instructions:-

1 Go to Pwlhelli
2. Select a suitable rib say 9.5m
3 ensure that the rib has good ballast 2 X 250 HP Suzuki's should suffice.
4. Capsize it if you can only a real T**T will succeed
5. Ask Jono for detailed righting drill, he will no doubt confirm that you are indeed a "REAL T**T"
6. when all fails, no worries it ain't your boat.
7. Take extended capsize and righting course for seriously damaged ribsters at PPT
__________________
fred bolton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 16:48   #28
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
Quote:
Originally posted by fred bolton
extended capsize and righting course for seriously damaged ribsters at PPT
Didn't see that one on Jono's website!
Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 16:53   #29
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Wilmslow
Boat name: Serotonin
Make: Quicksilver
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mariner 15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 712
Course only available from April but you will have to make do with 9.0metres Jono couldn't manage the other 18 inches
__________________
fred bolton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 March 2004, 17:09   #30
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: NW& wherever the boat is!
Boat name: depends on m'mood!
Make: Humbers/15-24m cats
Length: 6m +
Engine: etec130/big volvos
MMSI: many and various
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,815
we used to right inflatables when teaching BSAC courses before they all went to ribs and daughter still has to right the inshore lifeboat at training each year - but then again thats a 4m inflatable not a rib.
A training rib did go over on the east coast last year and from memory things that came out from that was that there was no lasting air pocket trapped under the boat and air was venting out of the elephant trunk. It took considerable effort to unstick and right the boat even at the dockside with equipment available. So at sea I dont fancy the chances of doing it. Contents of under seat stowage dumped itself into thesea.Crew usually had a telephone in w/proof case attached to lifejacket and / or a waterproof vhf but sods law meant they had not got either on this trip. Flares stowed away could not be reached. So no means of attracting attention. So perhaps flares in w/proof container attached to boat by lanyard would be an idea and some waterproof means of comms attached to lifejacket. - Oh and stay the right way up!
__________________

__________________
Dave M
www.wavelengthtraining.co.uk
wavelength is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 18:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.