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Old 11 July 2012, 10:13   #41
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My sister has a full driving license.

I'm not sure I'd want her to teach me to drive...
EXACTLY And soon there will probably be women PB 2 instructors
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I guess everyone out there who has not done the PB level 2 course is either shouting Mayday or a calamity waiting to happen I wonder how many boating incidents are RYA course certified or not? The trouble with giving someone a stupid piece of paper is that they actually think they know things, I have been at sea for years and never stop learning every time I go out, I have the paper but to me it is worthless without the experience, and I only got the paper because regulations demanded I had it, if not I would not have bothered
I'd guess that most boating incidents are quite minor - some scuffed gel coat, a chinked prop etc, and that most 'certificated skippers' have quickly come to realise that they aren't infallible... ...thats not to say they didn't learn anything useful on their course.

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If it was a case of learning myself and getting a friend to teach me AND buying a plotter worth 250 then getting on going help from friends, or doing the course and paying 250 then being left to it, I know what I would do, no good looking at your PB2 certificate when you hit a rock or are lost at sea and wishing you had a plotter or charts
if you think a 250 plotter is the high priority safety item for sparerib then I think you are way off the mark (pun intended). I think we are looking at:
- lifejacket, anchor and warp, vhf, chart, compass, torch, etc before the gadgets come into play... ...but if I had all that and little experience I'd go for a course over a toy any day.

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So you get the full training on a boat, sounds like something for the future.
as much as possible of the course should be done on the water not in the classroom. different schools have different emphasis, but most of the learning is practical - even if you are in a classroom it should be 'hands on' stuff like tying knots (if you learn before you go you will save a lot of time and get more time doing interesting stuff), looking at charts, touching demo flares and epirbs so you know what they are etc. I actually think the whole course could be done on board but on most ribs that might be a bit uncomfortable. There is some stuff like 'rules of the road' which does need 'taught' but obviously is rather important.

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My sister has a full driving license.

I'm not sure I'd want her to teach me to drive...
Indeed and very few people just use a relative to teach them to drive unless they have a very competent relative with the right skills and temperament. Part of that is of course about teaching people to pass a test not learning to drive - one of the good things about PB2 is it is not about passing a test it is about learning to use a boat.
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Old 11 July 2012, 12:14   #43
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I have to disagree for someone with no skill in navigation giving them paper charts is plain daft, even an anchor, a plotter is just like a Tom Tom and you would have to be totally daft to get that wrong even with little knowledge, but I do accept there are some daft people on the forum and you have to look at the lowest common denominator
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I certainly can't argue with that,you're bang on
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, a plotter is just like a Tom Tom and you would have to be totally daft to get that wrong even with little knowledge,
Really ??? Just like a Tom Tom wow !! thats good, so a plotter takes be around hazards and plans a safe route !!!
Bet they had one of them on your YM course !!!
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but I do accept there are some daft people on the forum and you have to look at the lowest common denominator [/QUOTE]

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Think about boating , then think about rock climbing, equally dangerous only one sport seems to be a little bit pathetic when it comes to making sure they dont hurt there little selfy welfies! Arrrrr. LOL am I right or what. If a rock climber was like a boater they would have a lift with a porter not a rope.
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I have to disagree for someone with no skill in navigation giving them paper charts is plain daft, even an anchor, a plotter is just like a Tom Tom and you would have to be totally daft to get that wrong even with little knowledge, but I do accept there are some daft people on the forum and you have to look at the lowest common denominator
Unless you have a 2000+ all singing all dancing Garmin plotter with automatic route planning then it is absolutely nothing like a "TomTom" - in fact it would be quite dangerous to suggest it is, you can't simply ask it to go to X and assume it will find you a reasonably sensible route.

I'm not suggesting anyone just gets in a boat with chart and off they go, a little bit of training (what you learn on PB2 might be enough [i'm not sure as I've only done the course once so not sure if what I learned was typical] - bit if not then a cheap book is enough to get you up-to speed on the essential elements). What is surely true is that if you can't read a chart a chart plotter ain't much use. The primary benefit of a plotter over a paper chart is it tells you where you are - but it doesn't tell you that the little + you are aiming for at 30 knots is really going to hurt when you arrive at it! Nor will any 250 plotter know whether the current state of tide means you can cross the 'green' bit, which side of that funny yellow and black stripy buoy you should be sticking to.

For the type of boating the OP described a cheap GPS (with no mapping) would probably get him to his fishing marks easily without wasting money on a plotter. Navigating at 20+ knots is certainly a totally different skill from Navigating at 2 or 3 knots - and a GPS (and a plotter) can be really useful to make it easier but they are NOT essential safety kit (the essential tool is already on the console - slow down to a speed where you are confident navigating).
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Anyway, you all know what I mean, seafaring has been going on for centuries, long before RYA courses, so I think that proves you don't need to do one, but if you can afford it then it is a jolly good idea, subject to a decent instructor who is not a nobber
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