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Old 11 July 2012, 07:08   #21
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With all respect a PB level 2 is just an RYA certification and you pay for the privileged of having that bit of paper, this guy is on a budget so he can learn a lot cheaper from an experienced boater far more than is on the basic PB level 2 curriculum. I have PB level 2 by the way and more, but it costs money and some people can't afford it, it's the knowledge and experience that counts for them, not fancy or even plain bits of paper that you get charged for but agree at least you know the basics have been covered and signed off
Eh?? The piece of paper is irrelevant (like most who have done it I haven't a clue where my 'certificate' is). Like any short piece of training for those new to a subject - it's a course for those who have not had a boat before and over two days teaches you the basics of handling a boat, navigation, kit, safety, rules of the sea, tides, weather, launching etc, etc.

Speaking personally I found it great fun and a lot of use even though like others I was not new to boats and had 'read all about it on the internet'...
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OP - I think you have got the equipment/training thing back to front.

My reading of the pattern I see often on RIBnet/Real World is:

Man sees sea - likes what he sees
Man buys small boat - goes on sea, has bad experience
Man is rescued by men with Lots of Equipment
Man thinks "hmmm, I need Lots of Equipment"

What the Man doesn't see is the Years of Training & Experience the other men had.

Training (formal or hands-on) first - the Equipment bit will be obvious afterwards.
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So what, does it matter who teaches you, RYA scheme or not if you learn exactly the same things? some people don't have 250 to pay a professional instructor, you can get exactly the same free, oh and a bit of fuel and time, it's not rocket science

This guy does Not have 250, maybe someone here could give him the course free and help him then!
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I think you have got the equipment/training thing back to front.

My reading of the pattern I see often on RIBnet/Real World is:

Man sees sea - likes what he sees
Man buys small boat - goes on sea, has bad experience
Man is rescued by men with Lots of Equipment
Man thinks "hmmm, I need Lots of Equipment"

What the Man doesn't see is the Years of Training & Experience the other men had.

Training (formal or hands-on) first - the Equipment bit will be obvious afterwards.
VERY VERY TRUE and it happens EVERY year at the boat shows, man sees shiny boat, man convinces family and then buys boat, gets boat delivered, goes out to sea, scares crap out of wife and kids, they never go back on boat, he tries weekends alone on boat but misses family, boat sold
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OP - I think you have got the equipment/training thing back to front.

My reading of the pattern I see often on RIBnet/Real World is:

Man sees sea - likes what he sees
Man buys small boat - goes on sea, has bad experience
Man is rescued by men with Lots of Equipment
Man thinks "hmmm, I need Lots of Equipment"

What the Man doesn't see is the Years of Training & Experience the other men had.

Training (formal or hands-on) first - the Equipment bit will be obvious afterwards.
I dont think I need lost of equipment, thats why I am asking for your experience like the man says. I'm not paying for someone to go and tell me to read a pamphlett they have just given me. I dont have the money. You can have all the equipment , tones of it and not have the common sense to see a big black cloud as a warning and you'll die. In tobago they go out all the time in little boats with no safety equipment, well they do write "Jah Protect I" or something like that on the front thats it, they come back every day, well most!! because they read the sea , they watch it all day and know exactly when they can and when they cannot go out. And if they do what to expect. I want to find a safe happy medium between the two, that doesnt pay for someone elses yaght , "??? how do you spell yaght , YOT , there you go I did it.
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a tip , if the misses doesnt want you getting a boat, tell her theres a good chance you could get lost at sea, watch the expression change , then either give her a big kiss or get the divorce papers !!!
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In tobago they go out all the time in little boats with no safety equipment, they come back every day, well most!!
Yes they do, they even took me out once and it will remain once

It was my scariest experience at sea ever: Six people, two lifejackets and one mobile phone, big lumps, guy bailing with a bucket...

Having said that, they were excellent boatmen and would have been doing that for years - they were very unconcerned, all in a days work for them. However, had the boat capsized it was all over - no floatation, no comms, no rescue service.

I have re-read your OP and I think you should get someone knowledgeable to take you out for a day to run through the kit and it's uses with you. Buying the stuff on a recommendation is a waste of time if you don't even know that/why you need it.
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With all respect a PB level 2 is just an RYA certification and you pay for the privileged of having that bit of paper, this guy is on a budget so he can learn a lot cheaper from an experienced boater far more than is on the basic PB level 2 curriculum. I have PB level 2 by the way and more, but it costs money and some people can't afford it, it's the knowledge and experience that counts for them, not fancy or even plain bits of paper that you get charged for but agree at least you know the basics have been covered and signed off
Its possible to get a PB2 certificate for less than 250, if you want to (that is not necessarily to say that the cheapest PB2 will be as good as the more expensive one even if they are all supposedly to the same standard). e.g. my local outdoor centre only charges 120 (although is only inland water). A quick look suggest that price is probably typical of sailing club or council run facilities.

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So what, does it matter who teaches you, RYA scheme or not if you learn exactly the same things? some people don't have 250 to pay a professional instructor, you can get exactly the same free, oh and a bit of fuel and time, it's not rocket science
becoming an RYA instructor is not just about being a an experienced guy, its about knowing how to train people and help them learn. An expert at boat handling isn't necessarily good at teaching, or won't necessarily pass on "bad habits". The fact there is a syllabus to follow also forces (to some extent) all areas to be covered, and less interesting / fun topics not to be ignored. With an 'old hand' showing you the ropes there is a temptation to focus on the routine stuff and ignore some of the things that might only happen sporadically - but really matter when they do. Similarly I've known a few old duffers who would dismiss 'modern' approaches because they've managed fine without for 50 yrs (whether that is the need for a life jacket, the potential usefulness of DSC radio or GPS etc, or even a kill cord) - RYA instructors are constantly brought up-to-date with new thinking which means you might get a better understanding of the pro's/con's of such choices. The RYA has spent a lot of time refining and developing a syllabus which good instructors then use as a foundation for their courses - to assume that someone teaching power boating for the first time is going to deliver the same value is probably naive.

Obviously its possible for someone really good to share their experience with you 'free of charge' but if they are so good (and want to spend their time teaching) why have they not qualified as an instructor, and offering their skills through a local club or making money through employment? Whilst I am sure that not everything about RYA (or any other NGB) training program and internal politics is rosy I'd be cynical of anyone claiming to be an expert in 'leisure boating' who has completely ostracised themselves from the established route for training in that area.

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This guy does Not have 250, maybe someone here could give him the course free and help him then!
feel free to go and share your wisdom with him at your own expense - although I don't think he actually said he doesn't have enough money for a course - he suggested he wasn't going to spend a fortune on electronic wizardry, probably wisely - he will use the skills he learns from a powerboat course every time he goes out. Wheras an EPIRB, a VHF or even a Chartplotter is likely to be largely unused for a lot of his local boating.
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Where are you planning to launch?
Judging by the comments so far Tunbridge Wells Swimming Pool. No seriously, I dont really know that yet, my sister is going to take me out in hers, she's been at it a few years and is properly safety concious. She is actually going to give me some training. Where do you recommend I go, I was thinking near hasting area , well I'm in Tunbridge Wells area so Rye, Eastbourne , south coast, probably the river meadway first of all in Tonbridge.

Where for a novice?
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