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Old 28 September 2011, 15:34   #11
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Just 1 item to add to this thread,i have taken off the wheels on my trailer & when not in use for a few months have also taken off the hubs so no 1 can just slot some wheels on & pull it away easily. it seems a bit long winded but it helps me sleep better knowing that theives may just pass on by.
Watch yourself doing that-if you've got no wheelclamp fitted, will your insurance pay out?

I know it sounds crazy, but if it's a stipulation, you never know what they'll say.
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Old 28 September 2011, 15:55   #12
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Watch yourself doing that-if you've got no wheelclamp fitted, will your insurance pay out?

I know it sounds crazy, but if it's a stipulation, you never know what they'll say.
You can always fit the clamp to the wheel even if its not attached any more! I've never understood how the insurance would know if it wasn't clamped?
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I wondered about the security of all the RIBs moored up in various harbours. There must be 20 -30 very expensive RIBs moored for the summer where I go I am amazed they are not just motored to a nearby slip in a neighbouring harbour and simply driven away or even be brave and use the slip in their own harbour - what are the chances of someone recognising the boat when it's early morning/evening! I expect most trailers could be adapted to temporarily fit if they were big enough?

The theives are on top of most security gadgets it can't be hard to get an engine going Selling it on could be more tricky.........
New Yams are engine immobilisers fitted but it does not stop them being towed away! Very scary. Imagine a 20k car being able to be nicked by just rolling it down the road, it would never happen!

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Old 28 September 2011, 16:22   #14
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You can always fit the clamp to the wheel even if its not attached any more! I've never understood how the insurance would know if it wasn't clamped?
Pass, but I've heard of caravanners being asked for the remains of the clamp.
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Old 29 September 2011, 00:27   #15
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Watch yourself doing that-if you've got no wheelclamp fitted, will your insurance pay out?
I've often wondered how I'd prove the clamp was fitted - or should it be how the insurance company would prove it wasn't?

On a couple of paranoid occasions after recent local thefts I've photo'd the fitted clamp. Not that that would probably count for much
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Maybe a stupid question but...

How are these thieves using/registering/reselling these boats and trailers in the UK? Are they driving them to other countries to sell?

Over here all motor boats (with a few exceptions for tiny low powered boats on inland lakes) are required to be licensed in their state of primary use. Same with the trailer. Engines are rarely titled seperately but a few states do that too. Without the title = proof of ownership, a theif can't really sell the boat very easily. Hence most of our thefts are either untitled motors, small auxilaries being particularly susceptible or if the whole boat limited to joy riding kinda of things.

So sure we lock them, but I don't know anyone who's had a whole boat stolen out of their driveway.
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Jack,

In fact most of the "organised" boat/outboard theft is apparently going to Eastern Europe or beyond. It may be no coincidence that thefts are more commonly reported relatively close to container terminals simplifying their passage out the country.

However, you may be astonished to hear that there is no registration scheme for boats, engines or trailers in the UK. You can voluntarily register a boat (normally only if taking it overseas) but there is no requirement and it is not proof of ownership. There is no way to prove you 'own' a boat/trailer/engine unless you have an original invoice with a serial number on it - of course that could be faked etc anyway, and usually get lost.
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In fact most of the "organised" boat/outboard theft is apparently going to Eastern Europe or beyond. It may be no coincidence that thefts are more commonly reported relatively close to container terminals simplifying their passage out the country.

However, you may be astonished to hear that there is no registration scheme for boats, engines or trailers in the UK. You can voluntarily register a boat (normally only if taking it overseas) but there is no requirement and it is not proof of ownership. There is no way to prove you 'own' a boat/trailer/engine unless you have an original invoice with a serial number on it - of course that could be faked etc anyway, and usually get lost.
Thanks. I figured this was the case since I don't think I have ever seen registration numbers on any of the UK pictures posted here. Its sad that such a high value and mobile item has no paper trail of ownership. My RIB is pretty small and still cost almost as much as my car!
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Jack,

In one sense I think many UK boaters would agree with you, but on the otherhand many people see boating as one of the few areas of British life largely free from regulation / authority / paperwork. Any introduction of registration for boats would inevitably incur a cost which the boating public would perceive as a tax (and indeed might include a "profit" element and so actually be a tax). The RYA and others who represent the boating public also generally oppose registration since it could be the thin end of the wedge towards compulsory qualification of skippers.

With so many boats already out there is also makes it hard for anyone to introduce e.g. a new voluntary scheme.

In reality boat thefts are pretty rare (especially considering how easy it is). I don't know the stats - but I'd guess more cars get nicked (as a percentage of the total) and they DO have a registration system!
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We've had compulsory titling and registration of boats for many decades, although "documented" yachts have slightly different rules/requirements.

Only just recently have states been implementing required operator's training. Its REALLY basic stuff, at the level of a driver's license. It never expires or needs to be renewed. That's has been a contentious topic depending on where you live. I am a licensed commercial mariner already so I'm exempt. But at least in Washington State you can self-study and take a test online for $10. Or do the equivalent of your RYA course. So its not a huge burden. Its been phased in over the past ~5yrs starting with 15-20 year olds then 20-25yos etc.
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