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Old 22 June 2015, 10:54   #11
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So point is, these 'sit-on kayaks' are rubbish, if your going to sea in a kayak you should use the longer types that you 'sit-in' rather than on.
As others have said, it sounds like the biggest problem was water inside the hull. Lack of experience and fitness may have made the situation worse, but sit on tops are generally the easiest and most reliable type of kayaks for novices.
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Old 22 June 2015, 11:13   #12
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Some of the divers on this side have taken to climbing back onto a sit-on-top from the rear of the craft. Drive up onto the stern, and wiggle forward while straddling the thing. Probably easier for them than a straight kayaker, as they have fins on (more push to get clear of the water.)
I've done it without fins, its easier than getting over the side without rolling providing there is nothing behind the seat.

Free surface effect of water in a kayak is quite bad - but is no worse for a sit ON than a sit IN - but you may be less likely to notice the leak. I think the issue with sit ONs is that they seem so simple that anyone can jump on one and use it with no training and no specialist kit. An experienced sea kayaker going solo in the same water would probably have seemed massively over equipped with a VHF, small pump, spare paddle, paddle float etc.

I don't think the issue is sit ON v's sit IN, or even one shape v another - the issue is poor build quality (or ropey modifications) just as with any vessel. When I take the bung out my sit ON it is bone dry inside.
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Never had any trouble with mine can get on from front back or side
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I think most sit on tops are exceptionally stable kayaks.. proved when you can hook..play..and haul onboard..200lb skates. (see photos below linked off the internet)





But with a hull half full of water .. understandably.. they will become unstable..just as with most boats.

The Greenland type of kayaks (sea going sit ins) are not near as stable.. they are more akin to riding a bike..the stability comes from moving ..balance ..and bracing with the paddle.

I guess all boat types have inexperienced and poorly equiped drivers who get into difficulty or drown ..not just kayaks
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Free surface effect of water in a kayak is quite bad - but is no worse for a sit ON than a sit IN - but you may be less likely to notice the leak. I think the issue with sit ONs is that they seem so simple that anyone can jump on one and use it with no training and no specialist kit. An experienced sea kayaker going solo in the same water would probably have seemed massively over equipped with a VHF, small pump, spare paddle, paddle float etc.
You'd need a pretty serious leak in a sit-on to experience free surface, close to 'abandon ship'.

Sit-ons are fair weather leisure items, kind of a step-up from a blow-up dinghy. Sea going kayaks and those that use them, are a way different ball game.
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