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Old 14 October 2004, 08:34   #11
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Incidentally, do you use computer simulators or real radio simulators?
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Old 14 October 2004, 09:08   #12
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We use laptops with the DSC simulators and hand held radios for the voice procedures

Alison Noise from the RYA produces a very good PowerPoint presentation package for use by the instructor, we took some time to alter the package to suite our needs and to add much more material to the presentation. Now our presentations are geared to the location of the course ie local headlands and navigation marks such as the Chicken Rock Lighthouse or Carrick light in the Isle of Man and Bar Pladdy or Strangford lough in NI

The Simulator works very well with an LCD projector and saves much time allowing us to roll play some communications (or as we call it TIME FOR A LAUGH)
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Old 14 October 2004, 09:33   #13
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My god you lot are getting ripped off,
I think it is rather simplistic to consider that anyone who charges more than you charge is ripping off their customers.

That aside your post highlights an interesting anomaly in respect of where you train and what you pay for it.

Take a similar industry, teaching someone to drive a car or truck. With either of these to learn you go to a commercial centre where you pay commercial rates to buy your training. In this example it is unlikely that physical training space is needed so the only significant cost is the vehicle. The option doesn’t exist to go to a local place down the road (like a club) that in effect is subsidising the operation and thus offering the service at massively reduced rates. Likewise if you wanted professional training on an IT related subject you couldn’t probably find an ‘Instructor’ at his local IT club teaching Windows 2003 Server skills.

Clearly this option does exist in respect of RYA training where commercial centres compete against significantly subsidised operations – often next door to each other. There are plenty of people on this forum who run schools and I would be surprised if they could successfully run an operation were they to charge what Sailing Clubs are able to charge (not just for VHF, as the same holds true for Level 2). Personally I have no issue with this sort of competition and would like to think that we don’t actively compete with such institutions for business, it would be far too simple to suggest that “you get what you pay for” but I think that Commercial Centres specialising in a particular area offer a different proposition to non-commercial centres – even if the ultimate qualification and standard is the same.

If you actually think about the costs of running a decent operation commercially with well specced boats, kit, classrooms, electronics with the ever rising insurance and administrative costs what you’ll actually conclude is that most courses should actually be priced at roughly twice (yes twice!) what schools actually charge. That doesn’t happen and won’t happen because the market of supply and demand won’t sustain it.

As a footnote, does anyone really begrudge paying £80 for a day’s training with a highly qualified/experienced Instructor leading to a recognised qualification – where else could you buy such training for anything like that.

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Old 14 October 2004, 12:22   #14
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Her her Paul, you would be lucky to get someone to do a days odd job around hear for less than £100!
I paid £80 for one to one VHF course this year which I think was well worth it! Split over two evenings to fit in with me as most seam to run on a Saturday when I work.
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We use laptops with the DSC simulators and hand held radios for the voice procedures

Alison Noise from the RYA produces a very good PowerPoint presentation package for use by the instructor, we took some time to alter the package to suite our needs and to add much more material to the presentation. Now our presentations are geared to the location of the course ie local headlands and navigation marks such as the Chicken Rock Lighthouse or Carrick light in the Isle of Man and Bar Pladdy or Strangford lough in NI

The Simulator works very well with an LCD projector and saves much time allowing us to roll play some communications (or as we call it TIME FOR A LAUGH)
Do you use the PMR radios as i thought they were frowned upon by Allison reason being anyone with similar type could listen in may think you are in trouble and alert the coastguard especially as you are using local landmarks for the scenarios , the powerpoint presentation is excellent and the pc simulator is also very good mixing the radios with the pc is a good way of teaching IMO and agree with Paul on the costs of running these courses
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Old 14 October 2004, 16:51   #16
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i dont mean to be cheeky people but only asked for some info about courses and it seems to have turned into a slanging match.

so come on everyone play nice.
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Nah! This isn't a slanging match - just a healthy exchange of views! Or, at least, that's how I see it! No offence meant or taken. It'd be boring if we all agreed on everything!

Anyway, hope you find a course! Good luck with it!
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yea so do i.

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Indeed your thread has been a bit hijacked for a somewhat different discussion - sorry! Certainly not a slanging match though.

Try www.seatrektraining.co.uk/ who have a few bases in Scotland

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