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Old 10 October 2005, 10:32   #41
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Ramsgate: Ch14 yes permission to enter.

As the old saying goes, you pays your money etc!!
Or you get what you oay for.

Whilst there are some good sets out there how many companies have their staff on internet forums helping their customers

See you in Ramsgate

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Old 10 October 2005, 10:59   #42
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Whilst there are some good sets out there how many companies have their staff on internet forums helping their customers
That has GOT to be the best self-justification for surfing the net EVER!!

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Old 10 October 2005, 12:00   #43
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They stated that the software currently in use does not allow for instant identification of a vessel simply via the MMSI number.

"How do you relate the MMSI number to a vessel?" I asked them, "We go to the ITU database firstly!" I was told. I said given that the ITU database can take time to be updated and in fact only identifies the owner/registered name of the vessell, what happens then? I was told that they had their own internal database where they may sometimes find the infomation. I asked if this had anything to do with CG66 and was told no!

So, to repeat myself, instant identification of a vessel via the MMSI number is not yet available. So, when a DSC distress alert is received by a coastal station, they effecticvely "see" exactly the same infomation as any other DSC enabled set - i.e MMSI number, position and the nature of the distress if the sender has used the facility.
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Well I sit corrected. All the times that I was assured in high level meetings that the info was beng used hmmmm. Well I'm afraid that the blame (if that's the right word) lies at the feet of MCA as we supplied the info all they had to do was use it.

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Old 10 October 2005, 14:20   #44
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Well I sit corrected. All the times that I was assured in high level meetings that the info was beng used hmmmm. Well I'm afraid that the blame (if that's the right word) lies at the feet of MCA as we supplied the info all they had to do was use it.

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Old 11 October 2005, 16:10   #45
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To my mind the big advantage of dsc distress alerting on my patch is demonstrated by our little private angling boats that never listen to ch16 and mayday/pan calls have been missed by them in the past although they were near enough to have been of great assistance . Many of the the local lads sit on ch8 and never see ch16 and have done so since radios became viable in little boats. Not might have been missed but calls have actually not been heard by a pack of boats in the area, resulting in lifeboat jobs that were avoidable. If they all have DSC, and that is the way it is going now, then a dsc alert will grab their radio via ch70 no matter what channel they are sitting on, sound an alarm, and switch it to ch16 ready for the voice call.
As far as quoting the mmsi is concerned it needs to be on a sticker that you can read if and when the "chips are down!" Its easy enough then to send then when you repeat your mayday and identity part of the call and no matter what one may think the system should do for you -I would rather give it every bit of help I can when my life depends on it! (and as I get older the b***** mmsi sticker needs to be bigger so I can read it )
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Old 11 October 2005, 17:36   #46
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But from what others say they will STILL ignore alerts because they cry wolf too often - many people now turn the set off completely whereas before they DID listen to ch16 occasionally!!!
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I had another teeny flash of light yesterday about why you broadcast your MMSI in your Mayday voice call, after a DSC distress alert.

Even if the coastguard have the ability to relate your MMSI to your boat name etc (the efficiency of which seems to be under discussion), other vessels do not. Therefore, if you're somewhere busy like the solent, and you're being conscientious and writing down the mayday voice call after the Digital Distress Alert so that you can plot positions and maybe offer assisstance to the CG etc, and you hear 2 voice calls in a row, you can use the MMSI to relate it back to the Distress Alert, which will be stored in your radio's log.

Might not be ideal having to remember 9 digits, but it's a system, and it's the one we're using! All the charter boats I've worked on have the MMSI clearly printed and laminated right next to the radio, for easy reference.
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Old 13 October 2005, 09:51   #48
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Kernow,
Firstly I think it a bit poor that you only used PC Simulators on your SRC Course. How did you practice the voice procedures, routine calls etc etc?
I presume that you were told the new Mayday Procedures must include the MMSI Number.
As regards to pressing the red button twice, on all the sets I know you actually have to press it once then pressit again but hold it in for 5 seconds to activate the Distress alert transmission.
Well done on passing the exam at the end. Why did it take 1 1/2 days? when s SRC Course is 1 day?
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Old 13 October 2005, 10:03   #49
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There was a meeting at the RYA this week.
It was to discuss "live"/ "real" DSC radio simulators.
It was hoped, by them, that the conclusion reached is that all schools will have to have at least one set of these for running SRC course.

They were hoping to phase this in over the next 12 months.

So watch this space as they say.

The simulators are selling very very well for us.
Better than we ever expected.

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Hi Dave,
Yes I thought it was poor as well, throughout the course no-one but our instructor spoke as if 'on air', we wrote down the wording of our transmissions and listened to our instructor 'broadcast' but no-one else spoke as if transmitting. Fortunately for me I used VHF almost daily for 15 years so whilst it wouldn't faze me to use VHF live I'm sure there were others on the course who really would have benefited from radio usage rather than keyboard usage!
Yes we were told to broadcast our MMSI number after a DSC alert, my point to Codders ( Can we really call you that Codders... er Codprawn?!) was that at least it was transmitted automatically initially.)
My comment about 2 presses of the button were me being lazy! Sure we did the 5 second count down, I was just meaning that having done those 2 things our MMSI, position (GPS dependant) and type of distress were winging themselves off to CG on a repeating basis, freeing us to do whatever was needed.
Technically the course was 1 day and 3 hours, having knocked it for lack of radios I'd have to praise it for being very thorough in all other matters, frankly our instructor didn't think he could teach all he wanted to in 1 day.
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