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Old 05 August 2017, 00:40   #1
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Vanguard Marine ?

Did a site search but couldn't come up with anything regarding Vanguard Marine. Any opinions on them or experience with them? They are built in Portugal, looking at the larger Fulmar series.

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Nice boat - I can see how it would appeal for your operations. I seem to remember that Vanguard and Valiant are/were connected - maybe Vanguard management hived off from Valiant? (who are Brunswick Marine).
Someone here will know! If you order one, I'd advise you to have the seatfront grab handles raised a bit or someone will get VERY agitated...

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Old 05 August 2017, 07:16   #3
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......... If you order one, I'd advise you to have the seatfront grab handles raised a bit or someone will get VERY agitated...



Speaking of which, how do they compare to Baltics?
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There's a 12m Fulmar....can't quite get Andre to build me a 12m Baltic! Love the Parker Baltic 1000 but those 2m would help rough weather substantially.
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Redbay Boats have a tried and tested 12m hull. It's very beamy and would take 3 rows of seats. With twin or triple outboards in an open configuration, it would be a superb all seas boat. They have some nice moulds for bow steps and stern anchoring:

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As another option - I have had the pleasure of driving this Ring Powercraft 12m which at the time had twin 300hp Suzukis on the back. Fantastic hull and I was getting 60mph which I thought was very good for such a big boat with a heavy cabin fitted. They also manufacture a 13m and have been selling a fair few to Iceland for whale watching tours and Scandinavia for high speed RIB rides.
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Willk is correct Vanguard is what used to be the commercial side of Valliant, I think the two companies are entirely independent now. There wasn't a huge amount of information about the old Valliant PT range before (which there evolved from) but the one big boat I saw impressed me, especially for the price point. You will have an interesting dilemma when picking tube materials...
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You will have an interesting dilemma when picking tube materials...
Can you expand? I asked for hypalon and they quoted PU and NH tubes, which I assumed were PVC/polyurethane and Hypalon?
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Can you expand? I asked for hypalon and they quoted PU and NH tubes, which I assumed were PVC and Hypalon?

You'd need to check exactly with them but I think they offer:

PVC (confusingly I think they use(d) a brand called hypatex)
Hypalon (I think that will be the NH)
Polyurethane (this is not the same as pvc)

They may even offer all three in multiple weights too!

The hypalon tubes are standard glued construction. The pu and pvc tubes will be welded. On here you won't find too much info on PU tubes. Tornado, Valliant and XS all offer PU tubes (as the "normal" option in most cases). People who have PU tubes generally seem very happy, welded PU tubes hold air so well you can go years between topping up the air. US military tests reported PU was harder wearing (to abrasion) than hypalon - that may or may not be relevant to your use. It does seem to have acceptance for commercial type use in the USA.

PU is harder to patch (but still possible), but you have to balance that against a material which is welded and so less likely to have a manufacturing issue.

I have no idea about the relative uv resistance of PU, but heat and glued seams don't play well together so you might see a benefit.

The old guard here like their hypalon tubes, of course most have never owned anything else and half think that PU and PVC are the same thing or that PU is a new and unproven technology. bigmuz and SeaSkills both owned valiant PU boats and spoke positively about them.

I'm not sure once you've factored in the hull cost, electronics, seating, engines and shipping that the tube material will make you a significant cost difference?
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Just to note most valiant ribs were sold with pvc tubes not pu. My own boat has pvc tubes and they seem to be in good shape however I wash my rib with fresh water after every use and the boat is stored in a shed. My boat is nine yrs .
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