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Old 08 September 2005, 18:51   #11
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That's note quite accurate: trailer test is needed if the weight of the trailer (with the boat on it) is more than the unladen weight of the vehicle and you passed your test after 1997.
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Old 08 September 2005, 19:20   #12
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As a fully qualifies C&E entitlement large goods vehicle licence holder who has reversed fully loaded trailers into houses and over Fiats it's good to know my ability to reverse a boat is not subject to question!
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Old 16 September 2005, 10:51   #13
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That's note quite accurate: trailer test is needed if the weight of the trailer (with the boat on it) is more than the unladen weight of the vehicle and you passed your test after 1997.

Unless your vehicle has a load rating on it's VIN plate that says it CAN tow above its own weight then you are restricted by DVLA's rule of thumb to 85% of the kerbside weight of the vehicle. (you measure this with 1/4 tank of fuel+the driver-no more). For example-my Isuzu Trooper had a max towing weight of 2500 kg and it said it on the vin plate-along with max VEHICLE veight of 2200kg whereas a 1994 Mondeo can only tow 940kg-even though the vehicle weighs significantly more than that.

If you want to tow a trailer of over 750kg MAXIMUM AUTHORISED MASS you WILL need a cat b+e licence(not c1 like I said earlier-my cockup)-whether the boat is on there or not. If you took your car test after 1997 then you will need to take a cat b+e test.

MAM is defined as the maximum TOTAL weight of the trailer including the load that it's carrying-ie just because it says a trailer is rated to 1200kg it DOESNT mean you can put a 1200kg boat on it-you can't unless it actually says PAYLOAD rather than MAM.


BTW I've got an HGV c+e too (obviously) and I've never hit a fiat or a house.

I have however reversed over a cripple carriage....
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Nos - some further clarification of this convoluted subject...

The reference to towing no more than 85% of the weight of your towing vehicle is a recommendation only and is not a legal requirement. The law allows Category B vehicles to be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight (GVW) of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

Thus you legally can, should you wish, tow a maximum allowable mass equal to the weight of your car.

More information is available from the creators of Income Tax and Bus Lanes:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Dr...Vehicles/fs/en

Was the cripple carriage empty?
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Nos - some further clarification of this convoluted subject...

The reference to towing no more than 85% of the weight of your towing vehicle is a recommendation only and is not a legal requirement. The law allows Category B vehicles to be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight (GVW) of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

Thus you legally can, should you wish, tow a maximum allowable mass equal to the weight of your car.

More information is available from the creators of Income Tax and Bus Lanes:

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Was the cripple carriage empty?

as long as it is a braked trailer that itself is within its specified design weights etc
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Nos - some further clarification of this convoluted subject...

The reference to towing no more than 85% of the weight of your towing vehicle is a recommendation only and is not a legal requirement. The law allows Category B vehicles to be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight (GVW) of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

Thus you legally can, should you wish, tow a maximum allowable mass equal to the weight of your car.

More information is available from the creators of Income Tax and Bus Lanes:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Dr...Vehicles/fs/en

Was the cripple carriage empty?
No-the driver drove up past the queue that had reversed to allow me out so she was right behind me through my blindspot (I'd got out and done a walk-round check 1st) while I was reversing round a gentle bend in a large car park/access road and apparently beeped...didn't occur to her to go backwards or move out of the way (there was plenty of room for her to) or perhaps not to drive into an artic's blindspot...I would have thought the 'if you can't see my mirrors' sticker, reversing beeper,reversing lights and hazard lights might have given her a clue. I DID stop when my tailgate went through her windscreen though. That's when someone told me she was there. I hadn't noticed-cars don't slow artics down much.
No-one hurt...

The problem with DVLA and Highway code recommendations is that insurance companies behave as though they are law-as 'obviously if the highway code or DVLA recommend it then it must be adhered to rigidly'....create your own nightmare here etc.
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When I see the elderly and infirm wobbling amongst traffic on those electric four wheelers I suspect that it's this government's attempt to introduce euthanasia via the back door.
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wasn't one of those-it was one of those berlingo vans with a tail-lift...
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Why Nos! That's virtually the same as a Fiat!!
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