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Old 08 November 2015, 08:24   #11
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CHIRP seemed to want to place some responsibility on the Film Company for the activities/safety.
But nothing in the limited information they published suggested the film boat had caused the accident. Perhaps the hook was influenced by its wake, but there is no explanation given.
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My (limited) experience of film companies is that their employees have ABSOLUTELY no concern for safety or regulations and are ENTIRELY focused on getting good footage. This brings them into direct conflict with a skipper's primary responsibility - safety of passengers and craft. The Film Crew are paying....
I have no doubt. But if this is a helicopter flying a film crew I would *EXPECT* the chopper pilot says - no I can't/won't fly under that powerline, bridge, across that live airport runway etc. So actually its up to the skipper to be clear when being booked that the final say on safety is his and if they don't like it they don't go out.

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Bench seats in planing craft are identified by the Irish MSO as potentially dangerous and must be fitted with lap-belts (themselves potentially dangerous, IMO)
Someone needs to design a hydrostatic released seatbelt?
But again CHIRP doesn't explain if the passengers were on the bench.


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The only issue with manual LJs is that they were being used
Again I don't disagree - but it helps the understanding if the report says "one of the passengers (a) couldn't pull the cord because she dislocated her shoulder on impact or (b) forgot to pull the cord in the panic even though briefed or (c) couldn't remember being briefed. This then becomes useful 'data' for the manual vs auto debate when it arrives here.

You may have gathered CHIRP frustrates me!
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Old 08 November 2015, 08:47   #12
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You may have gathered CHIRP frustrates me!
I was beginning to form that opinion. I've added it to the (already extensive) list on your file.

It should have been called CHIRM - it's a bit of a chirmer's charter, IMHO.
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It should have been called CHIRM - it's a bit of a chirmer's charter, IMHO.
Totally lost me... is this some weird Irish Phrase?

I think you've mixed my file up - very little frustrates me
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Old 08 November 2015, 09:16   #14
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I'd never heard of CHIRP until this thread came along. I had to Google them, I'm still not much wiser. I take it they aren't a statutory body, seem like a bunch of retired, self appointed do gooders to me, am I wrong?


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I'd never heard of CHIRP until this thread came along. I had to Google them, I'm still not much wiser. I take it they aren't a statutory body, seem like a bunch of retired, self appointed do gooders to me, am I wrong?
Not as such retired in that they are a Charity that employs staff who are probably no longer actively on the front line. They take reports of aviation and maritime incidents and try to share learning from them. They have no investigational powers AFAIK. So you go out in your rib today at Whitby and a Fishing Boat nearly runs you down. You get annoyed and report it to CHIRP. CHIRP will contact the fishing boat for you and say "Pikey says you nearly ran him over - would you like to comment?". Fishing boat replies and
then CHIRP share the learning. If fishing boat doesn't reply CHIRP *may* deem the incident sufficient to report it to the MCA, which you could of course have done in the first place.

Its hard to say if its a do gooder issue or not. What's not clear is if they would pick up on a trend. Say for instance 5 RIBs next year report loosing a passenger from the back bench, retrieve them, dust them down no serious harm done. Would at some point CHIRP or someone else come forward and say "Back Benches should stop".

I think aircraft crew may use it better (but I could be wrong). So say you go out and your kill cord snaps (no person ends up near the water its just been UV damaged etc) - would you report it? Thought not! Think the aircraft industry would tend to...
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Would at some point CHIRP or someone else come forward and say "Back Benches should stop".
That would be a stupid conclusion to reach - not all bench seats, boats and helms are the same - some will be more vulnerable than others. I can tell you I have sat on the bench of a very fast rib which every bit of "natural inclination" suggest should have felt vulnerable but in some fairly tight turns was actually very secure.

I think you can presume that if people were regularly being ejected from benches on ribs there would be some reports of that here. There have actually been more reports of badly fitted jockey seats coming loose.
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That would be a stupid conclusion to reach
But understandable
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Pffft! Depends on the RIB...

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Other than on a retirement home taxi.
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