Twin engine rib courses

tim griffin · 22 October 2013, 07:01

Looking to see if there is any interest in twin engine rib courses
I have available a 8m twin diesel rib .
It would need to be coded as plan to use it for intermediate advanced and instructor courses is it something people would be looking for ?
Thanks
Tim

tim griffin · 23 October 2013, 06:50

Over a hundred views but no replys so guess that's a no to learning on a twin engine setup.
Tim

John Kennett · 23 October 2013, 07:56

I don't think that it's something that most RIB owners would see as particularly relevant to them; twin engine RIBs are very much a niche thing.

How about pitching it at aspiring motor cruiser owners who would definitely benefit from it?

chris.moody · 23 October 2013, 08:10

Its very hard to find any training school with twin engined boats. The only time I have done a course where they had a twin (2 x yam 150"s) was when I did my PBI at SWAC in Southampton. And on that occasion the twin engined rib was out of action so I could not use it

. Not sure if they still have it?

I think for those doing intermediate or advanced being able to try a twin engined boat is a big plus, but it increases the fuel costs for the training school.

It would make the course more attractive to customers but not sure that it would pay it's keep.

Chris

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tim griffin · 23 October 2013, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kennett

I don't think that it's something that most RIB owners would see as particularly relevant to them; twin engine RIBs are very much a niche thing.

How about pitching it at aspiring motor cruiser owners who would definitely benefit from it?

Thanks John
I already offer the RYA Motor Cruising Scheme on a 40ft Princess V40 on out drives and a Benateau Antares on twin shafts .
Just have the opportunity to offer twin inboards on a rib with trim tabs and bow ballast so a great boat for teaching and rough weather as well as in my opinion useful for Advanced Powerboat Instructor
Tim

Zippy · 23 October 2013, 09:30

Is that the Ocean cabin rib in cowes? (twin D3's) ?

its a good idea but not sure it would pay commercially to own it. prehaps if you could use on ad hoc basis?

sure if it was coded it could get charter work for support boat duties for some of the yacht race teams?

IanT · 23 October 2013, 09:39

Yup SWAC still have it - they have a similar one with a 250 single which they seem to use more but ive seen it out recently on training

Ian

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris.moody

Its very hard to find any training school with twin engined boats. The only time I have done a course where they had a twin (2 x yam 150"s) was when I did my PBI at SWAC in Southampton. And on that occasion the twin engined rib was out of action so I could not use it

. Not sure if they still have it?

I think for those doing intermediate or advanced being able to try a twin engined boat is a big plus, but it increases the fuel costs for the training school.

It would make the course more attractive to customers but not sure that it would pay it's keep.

Chris

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Tigga - Avon SR4 Rescue with 40hp Yamaha 2 stroke

Trimix · 23 October 2013, 09:42

Ive got a twin engined RIB but did my PB 1 and 2 in a single engined RIB.

What would a course teach you that would be different ?

willk · 23 October 2013, 09:46

Interesting - I didn't reply earlier as I figured someone else would and my remote location means I don't appreciate the local economics/viability.
I did my PBL2 on a twin 60. I had relatively little helm time over the preceding years (although lots of crew time) and I didn't find the twins in any way tricky to work with. Mind you, the instructor did explain the differences as we progressed. As the years passed, twins were very much part of the general scene and the boat I did my Advanced on had twins, as did my favourite loaner, The Beast.

That said, I'm not sure they justify a course in their own right?

willk · 23 October 2013, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trimix

What would a course teach you that would be different ?

Kinda scratching head here too. Close quarters stuff, obviously, but it's not THAT different. Trim can be a little more complicated, but only if you want it to be. The interesting one for me was knowing how to use just one engine properly - but that varies from boat the boat anyway...

Ribochet · 23 October 2013, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trimix

Ive got a twin engined RIB but did my PB 1 and 2 in a single engined RIB.
What would a course teach you that would be different ?

It would show you the joy and ease of close quarter manoeuvring with twins - rule of opposites - different pivot points.

I used a twin engine RIB for Powerboat training and did not find any marketing advantage.

Trimix · 23 October 2013, 10:17

OK, so its not just me scratching my head. One or two engines - Im not sure I can figure out why/how they would be different - within the constraints of a basic PB 1 and 2 course.

I will of course see what happnes myself by using just one, but what would a course teach me that I couldnt figure out myself ?

Trimix · 23 October 2013, 10:19

So, if I stick on in FWD and one in REV will I dissapear down my own whirlpool

chris.moody · 23 October 2013, 10:20

Until you have had the opportunity to use twins and be shown the correct way to use them it all sounds very tricky. In reality it takes very little time to get the hang of them.

chris.moody · 23 October 2013, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Trimix

So, if I stick on in FWD and one in REV will I dissapear down my own whirlpool

In slow speed manoeuvres use the outside engine in tickover and leave the inside engine in neutral.

Chris

Trimix · 23 October 2013, 10:24

Cheers, I plan to spend an afternoon messing about just doing that sort of thing soon in the confines of Poole before I venture much further.

chris.moody · 23 October 2013, 10:47

Spend 30 mins doing turns in a confined space and you will be fine.

So for example it is:
Full right lock
Port engine tickover forward
Back to neutral
Full left lock
Starboard engine tickover astern
Back to neutral
And repeat

Chris

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Tigga - Avon SR4 Rescue with 40hp Yamaha 2 stroke

boristhebold · 23 October 2013, 10:54

I would be interested in a short half day course along the lines of;

1. Classroom - learn the differences of one engine vs two engines techniques, manoovering etc. say 1 to 2 hours
2. Practicle - 2 hours, comming alongside, manouveres etc
3. Classroom - recap 1 hour

cost - would be willing on paying up to £125.00

if thats any use for feedback

tim griffin · 23 October 2013, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy

Is that the Ocean cabin rib in cowes? (twin D3's) ?

its a good idea but not sure it would pay commercially to own it. prehaps if you could use on ad hoc basis?

sure if it was coded it could get charter work for support boat duties for some of the yacht race teams?

Hi Howard
Yes that's the one
Seems not something most rib owners would be interested in how to use a twin set up so will pass on the owners offer.
Tim

tim griffin · 23 October 2013, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by boristhebold

I would be interested in a short half day course along the lines of;

1. Classroom - learn the differences of one engine vs two engines techniques, manoovering etc. say 1 to 2 hours
2. Practicle - 2 hours, comming alongside, manouveres etc
3. Classroom - recap 1 hour

cost - would be willing on paying up to £125.00

if thats any use for feedback

Thanks it's the most positive
Tim