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Old 13 April 2017, 14:17   #61
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Totally agree with poly get it tested its an exact science and will tell if it's cast metal failure.


And just telling evinrude you are planning this might get it resolved!
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And just telling evinrude you are planning this might get it resolved!
Agree...great idea Poly
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you are on a hiding to nothing doing that for me.

the best that can happen is you prove a metal issue, evinrude will still say it wouldn't have broken if you didn't "hit" sand anyway. you need to prove the metal issue (if there is one) caused the failure, you can't do that concretely with skeg damage.

just claim your insurance and let their legal team fight it out if they want.

just for the record, i'm in the it is a flaw with the engine camp but you will drag this out when a phone call to your insurance will have you a new engine mount in days.
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I have been thinking of the failure mechisim for this bracket and am convinced that it is caused by the lack of support under the saddle. The reason for the failure is the bouncing of the power head on the saddle the failure is not as a result of thrust from the prop. The break is at the point of maximum bending force if you consider the bouncing of the power head. I have failed to find any other failures on the net except for these three. In all cases they were on ribs, unsupported under the saddle and we're sixty up.

Ribs tend to be high performance boats driven fast and hard. A lot of rib owners want to get the best set up for their engine and raise it to achieve same.

On other boats say fishing boats like the orkney the engine is more likely to be on the transom directly and not driven as hard

As I have said before I do drive my rib hard in rough enough seas

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TSM...these engine's should be good enough for ribs like any other outboard engine being driven hard or not. Evinrude would stipulate "not for rib use" otherwise 👍

I personally think that the saddle casting is too thin and should be much thicker like they are on Etecs 75 and up 👍
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no way a 60hp 2 stroke should be breaking a saddle on any boat.

probably only because 60hp is a strange size not a lot of them are in the states on anything but a pontoon boat in a lake or the forums would have more failures.

you rarely see any engine in the UK sitting on the transom, it will help for sure but if that was the case they would just have 1 set of bolt holes and tell you to lay the engine on the transom them bolt it on, does the evinrude manual mention anything about engine height?
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hopefully i am going to get it done with my insurance . i would pay out of my own money its the thought of paying out and it happening again thats bothering me . even when its fixed i will be thinking am i going too hard for the engine . it spoils what ribbing is all about going things you cannot do in normal boats .
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I wonder if the sixty could take the seventh five saddle?
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you are on a hiding to nothing doing that for me.

the best that can happen is you prove a metal issue, evinrude will still say it wouldn't have broken if you didn't "hit" sand anyway. you need to prove the metal issue (if there is one) caused the failure, you can't do that concretely with skeg damage.
I don't agree. There are at least three possible outcomes that a good metallurgist should be able to identify:
  • sudden failure from one excess load [it hit a sand bank etc]
  • a casting failure (e.g. an air bubble causing a weak point, bad cooling causing crystal structure issues)
  • fatigue failure - caused by repeated small flexing [if say the bracket design is too weak]

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just claim your insurance and let their legal team fight it out if they want.
possibly - but without lying to your insurer (never a great idea*) you may find their loss adjustor says "wear and tear".

* Especially if there is a thread on the internet explaining your true understanding of the failure!

Of course its the OP's choice - but Evinrude really wouldn't want a report in the public domain which said either its bracket was badly made or (worse) badly designed. The internet haters would love that, and every bracket failure in the future would use it to support their claim too. If they are really confident they are right they will run than risk.
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he is not lying to his insurance though, evinrude said the sandbank/beach done it, that is all he has to say. it is immaterial what any of us think caused it, only what evinrude say caused it matters.

even if he proves in a university that the metal has a flaw you cannot prove hitting the sand didn't contribute to atleast premature failure....as the skeg picture gives enough evidence to that effect.

if his insurance contest it and say it is evinrudes problem them as long as he has legal cover they can fight it out.

if his insurance won't do anything then i would go down your route for sure.
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