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Old 05 October 2005, 07:03   #131
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hey i met a jonathon in Greece that was from belgium... is it u? hahah
Say, Chopppy, you know a buddy of mine from Reno, Nevada? Name's Chris. Kinda figured you might have stumbled across him one time?
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Old 05 October 2005, 07:53   #132
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I maybe a new guy to the site but being on the local lifeboat crew, i gtta couple of things that i reckon should be mentioned,
Nobody knows everything lol, crewmembers who have 25 years experience still do training courses and still train and if u dont train 2 know the basics how can u gain experience!

Those that say the RNLI waste to much money on new boats need to go and see what its like in an atlantic 21 in a force 8.
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Old 05 October 2005, 07:55   #133
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try about $8.39 hereguess this is why some of us are interested in economy!!!
Bloody hell that South Coast fuel is pricey... 1.26/Litre.... Is that about average? Move to North Wales immediately...
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Old 05 October 2005, 08:16   #134
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1.05 at Southsea Marina - a few weeks back when the country went crazy about fuel, it was cheaper to get petrol at the marina than petrol (optimax) in the midlands...1.26 sounds a bit steep...
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Old 05 October 2005, 08:27   #135
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yes currency rate has come down abit so perhaps i was being a bit generous assuming 1 per litre at exchange rate of 1.85


.97 x 4.54 x 1.76 = $7.75
guess i was over egging it a bit,....haha..;-)
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Old 05 October 2005, 18:46   #136
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Experience IS what matters when the sh1t hits the fan.

The ability to make instant decisions based on instinct and do something by "feel" can be the difference between sucsess or failure, even life and death in a critical situation.

however

just any old experience is not good enough. it is quite possible in boating and any other walk of life to clock up years of experience doing something completely wrong and just getting away with it because of never having been in a critical situation.

There are 2 ways to gain the correct experience and therefore have the correct instinctive behavior.

1. through natural talant and ability.

2. through good training / working with experts.

i agree that it is not the piece of paper that is important but experiance can also be useless if you have picked up bad habbits or the environment you operate in has evolved into something you are no longer experienced in.

i.e. a mechanic with 40 years experience would have little chance of working on a modern engine with thier ecms etc. if he had no training on the new technology.

It should also be noted that training can be self given by simply reading a good book or browsing the pages of RIBnet.

I for instance have gained a wealth of knowledge in codprawn bashing from this single thread. A subject I hope not to gain much experience in. (poor guy)

At the end of the day it is accountability that is the issue. Whenever you enter into an agreement be it a new job, some insurance cover, etc someone has to asses your abilities/liabilities and make a decision as to whether you are right for the situation. The only reliable and consistent measure of suitability is certification so until the day comes when our abilities can be ascertained by a dna scan or a brain scan etc... we are stuck with training, and certificates.
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Old 05 October 2005, 19:03   #137
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I have both ! and I have trained a lot of people with experience and they were mostly unaware of how little they knew.!


Trainers are falling over emselves a the moment so cut a good deal for yuour self.


If somebody is going to drive my boat then I want them to be qualified and trained and have some experience
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Old 06 October 2005, 03:35   #138
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yes currency rate has come down abit so perhaps i was being a bit generous assuming 1 per litre at exchange rate of 1.85


.97 x 4.54 x 1.76 = $7.75
guess i was over egging it a bit,....haha..;-)
Try .97 X 3.785 X 1.76 = $6.46... don't forget he's one of our septic cousins....
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Sorry to add to this very long and sometimes boring thread.
Training is taken by the wise and ignored by a fool.

It's every ones choice as to whether they receive training in boats or not some people go on a very steep learning curve and can master a boat well in time and after a lot of mistakes/accidents /near misses on the way. Others will take a shorter route and get some training from someone qualified or not . The latters learning curve will be less steep and after being shown the basics they will go onto become more confident and competent than the former in a shorter amount of time.

I have had some very experienced people on board who just want the ticket not interested in doing the course , they feel they should just have the ticket due to there vast amount of years of experience and being related to someone who served with Admiral Lord Nelson so therefore the sea is in my blood is the usual quote.

The hard part for the Instructor is to change this attitude and to make the course interesting and informative and that the student walks away feeling they have learnt something. Its only after we have received some training do we really gain some experience IMHO. Even all the Insructors have to had training , we are not born to it.

Codders has years of experience but he still chose to do his level 2 he is now considering doing his Advanced . It is a very intense course and I hope his navigation is up to speed otherwise he will not achieve his goal.
He has also taken the wise precaution of employing a local life boatman to show him which bits to avoid so as not to damage his new rib.
I feel I have only added to what could become the longest thread in the history of Rib.Net and apologise now .
PS This is not a dig at Codders
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Old 06 October 2005, 04:09   #140
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Very eloquently put Roy and Rogue, the thread title is a bit of a nisnomer now, as one can never oppose the other. I have had in the past some excellent instruction with good experience gained and some poor instruction. The thing is not to give up learning from things and people.

Some feel that thier inate ability is at such a level they can almost do as they please BMW drivers for instance! their lack of skill is silently made up for by the ability of others to avoid disaster.

If the market is ripe for some good teaching methinks I might be shopping, I need to experience rougher water not high swell but nasty testing choppy stuff and get a lot better at accurate slow manouvres.
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