Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 11 November 2014, 14:49   #401
Member
 
kerny's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ashton-under-Lyne Lancs
Boat name: IMOGEN
Make: Air-Craft 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 60
MMSI: 235087492
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 7,040
RIBase
Send a message via Skype™ to kerny
It say's Mr+Mrs Milligan had taken a powerboat course so even if they were made to take it, it still didn't prevent the accident from happening.

For me it's better someone wanting to take a course than someone being forced to take a course.
__________________

__________________
Member of S.A.B.S. (Lancashire Division)
kerny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 November 2014, 14:56   #402
Member
 
ashbypower's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Salisbury/Poole
Boat name: Blue C
Make: XS 600
Length: 6m +
Engine: 125hp Opti
MMSI: 235082826/235909566
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,439
Leading a horse to water is one thing......

So we are trained to drive cars, and are issued with a licence... so I guess the only accidents involve un trained drivers Mmmmmm
__________________

__________________
Brian C
Harbour Sea School & APS Marine Centre
ashbypower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 November 2014, 15:06   #403
RIBnet supporter
 
C2 RIBS's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hants
Boat name: Gemineye
Make: Ribeye S850 charter
Length: 8m +
Engine: 300hp
MMSI: 235097445
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,029
Coroner can only make representations to others, but it carries weight usually with organisations like RYA.
Interested in answer to builders and MAIB too as they can only ask and make representations I think
__________________
Ian
Rib charter and Rib hire with www.c2ribs.co.uk
C2 RIBS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 November 2014, 15:41   #404
Member
 
Boatnomad's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Make: Zodiac Mk I
Length: 3m +
Engine: 15 hp Yam two stroke
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 728
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyShoe View Post
Coz the compulsory qualification would be the one the driver had.
+1

Nick Milligan's widow tells inquest of 'big mistake' that no one used boat's kill cord | Daily Mail Online
__________________
Boatnomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 November 2014, 17:52   #405
Member
 
Simon B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
Boat name: Vixen
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: Suzuki OB 175
MMSI: 235071839
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,621
This is a horrific tragedy, I have been reading through the full report, its sobering stuff. The kill cord is issue is clear however there seems to be a reluctance to talk about what actually caused the accident;

"Mr Milligan then
reached across, in front of his wife, took the helm in his right hand and the throttle in
his left, and then increased the engine throttle setting to full as he turned the helm to
starboard"


What made him do this may never be known, that it was a very foolish thing indeed to do is very clear to experienced boaters with modern high torque electronically managed engines equiped with high performance props.
__________________
New boat is here, very happy!
Simon
www.luec.org
Simon B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 November 2014, 18:21   #406
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by C2 RIBS View Post
Interesting comments from the coroner "A coroner is calling for a review of training for speedboat users following the death of a father and daughter." ""They should consider making them compulsory."
Although that is how the BBC headline reports it the bit in bold is actually a quote from Mr Milligan's brother. The coroner actually said she would "write to the Royal Yachting Association (RYA) asking it to review whether training for leisure powerboats should be made compulsory in some cases." Which is a somewhat less melodramatic statement.

Assuming it is a formal action by the corroner the RYA will be required to respond, but not necessarily to agree with her (or any subtext that she may be implying or the BBC maybe reading between the lines).
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 November 2014, 03:00   #407
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda BF50
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,841
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon B View Post
What made him do this may never be known, that it was a very foolish thing indeed to do is very clear to experienced boaters with modern high torque electronically managed engines equiped with high performance props.
The consensus is, that Mrs. Milligan had made a final turn to make an approach to the mooring.
She had turned towards a shallow sandy shore, Mr. Milligan was fearful that because of slow nature of the turn, they were in danger of grounding. He reached across to apply more helm and throttle inorder to tighten the turn. The rest is well recorded.
__________________
Mollers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 November 2014, 05:42   #408
RIBnet supporter
 
C2 RIBS's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hants
Boat name: Gemineye
Make: Ribeye S850 charter
Length: 8m +
Engine: 300hp
MMSI: 235097445
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poly View Post
Although that is how the BBC headline reports it the bit in bold is actually a quote from Mr Milligan's brother. The coroner actually said she would "write to the Royal Yachting Association (RYA) asking it to review whether training for leisure powerboats should be made compulsory in some cases." Which is a somewhat less melodramatic statement.

Assuming it is a formal action by the corroner the RYA will be required to respond, but not necessarily to agree with her (or any subtext that she may be implying or the BBC maybe reading between the lines).
Thought that is what I posted, hey ho
__________________
Ian
Rib charter and Rib hire with www.c2ribs.co.uk
C2 RIBS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 November 2014, 07:45   #409
Member
 
Simon B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
Boat name: Vixen
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: Suzuki OB 175
MMSI: 235071839
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,621
I'm going to think about how kill cords can be better managed, I'll cable tie mine to my lifejacket for now and buy a whole bag full for our trainees, who can do the same. The idea of detaching the killcord needs to change possibly.

I already take people through how a hook occurrs and demonstrate it, its much less pronounced in our Ribcraft 6.8, I believe because we dont have as much power to lift the bow up. Most of diving boat handling is done trimmed slightly in too.
__________________
New boat is here, very happy!
Simon
www.luec.org
Simon B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 November 2014, 08:28   #410
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Derbyshire
Boat name: Mallard Reach
Make: Ribeye
Length: 6m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 23
I seem to remember that in the book Heavy weather power boating, one of the authors argues for not using kill cords in rough conditions, so that if the helm goes overboard, the person who takes control doesn't have to loose time restarting the engine (amongst other reasons). Does anyone agree with that advice? (I realise it's off topic from the Padstow tragedy)
__________________

__________________
Lark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 00:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.