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Old 06 May 2013, 19:24   #131
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For all we know the helm may Have been wearing the kill cord,
I have seen it happen where the kill cord has been clipped to the belt loop of a pair of jeans or trousers
the cord then gets wrapped around the steering wheel hub a couple of times ,
Helm falls overboard as the cords now got a few turns around the wheel hub it won't activate the switch but snaps the belt loop on the jeans instead leaving the cord in situ & the engine running .
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Old 06 May 2013, 20:15   #132
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Poor kids and mum, all hurting physically and mentally... Pure horror, will be lying in hospital now having flash backs for days and days of prop in water etc...

A said above, pretty much any power boat, never mind this beast, can spit you out when things go wrong, and you have no chance of staying seated. It can be so violent when hull hits water sideways.....
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Old 07 May 2013, 01:53   #133
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For all we know the helm may Have been wearing the kill cord,
I have seen it happen where the kill cord has been clipped to the belt loop of a pair of jeans or trousers
the cord then gets wrapped around the steering wheel hub a couple of times ,
Helm falls overboard as the cords now got a few turns around the wheel hub it won't activate the switch but snaps the belt loop on the jeans instead leaving the cord in situ & the engine running .

The KC can clearly be seen attached and untangled in the video of the boat being recovered.
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Old 07 May 2013, 02:20   #134
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Tragic. Very tragic...
Such a waste....
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Old 07 May 2013, 02:24   #135
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Disconnect the kill cord when your not on the boat, this way you'll have to fit it before you can start the engine, which might give the reminder your looking for to actually wear it at the same time. If you ever forgot to fit it your engine wouldn't start so there's your reminder.

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Excellent advice from Peter, also make sure you test the kill cord actually works regularly by pulling it with the engine running on tickover.
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Old 07 May 2013, 02:39   #136
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Not sure if jockey seats have been mentioned yet, they maybe not the most comfortable things to sit on but certainly much safer than the perches this boat seems to have, it looks like a beautiful boat but the layout is not suited to poor conditions, I can see how easy it would be to loose everyone with the seating arrangement it has. More of a gin palace than a serious RIB.

We don't need new ideas to cut engines, there are kill cords fitted to every outboard and they work, people just need to use them and is seems that requires some sort of training, even an hour with some one from the RYA or an instructor would be enough.
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they maybe not the most comfortable things to sit on but certainly much safer than the perches this boat seems to have,
interestingly their appears to be a difference of opinion. You presumably have tested the Cobra leaning post before publicly criticising it though?
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it looks like a beautiful boat but the layout is not suited to poor conditions, I can see how easy it would be to loose everyone with the seating arrangement it has. More of a gin palace than a serious RIB.
it wasn't being used in "poor conditions" but I am sure the seating arrangements will form part of the MAIB investigation.

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We don't need new ideas to cut engines, there are kill cords fitted to every outboard and they work, people just need to use them and is seems that requires some sort of training, even an hour with some one from the RYA or an instructor would be enough.
If you read the thread you will see that experienced people who wear them "all" the time admit to on occasions having forgotten the cord. Any system which can be forgotten has room for improvement.
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No, I've not tried this leaning position, I stand corrected, but it didn't help this poor sod stay in the boat, but I have sat on a rear bench similar to the one on this boat and didn't feel particularly safe, what is there on this boat for passengers to hold on to if things get hairy? These weren't poor conditions but would you sit back there in a F5 at speed?

I'm sorry but if you are an 'experienced' person and you forget your kill cord then sell the boat and buy some gold clubs, this is not an acceptable excuse, it's a big red coiled lead flapping about and you should feel as naked without it as you would driving a car without a seat belt.
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Old 07 May 2013, 05:03   #139
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I'm not trying to defend the leaning post arrangement or bench seating however one thing that Cobra do provide is a strong well anchored bar around the screen and a massive grab bar for those behind the helm. There are also large rubber grab handles/cleats on the inside of the tubes by the rear seats.

However with the forces that were clearly in action on this occasion it is doubtful that anyone could have held on.

Would jockey seats have resulted in a higher centre of gravity for those using them and an equal chance for them to be thrown out, especially children whose feet may not reach the deck and may not be able to reach any grab handles in front or on the seat base?

I would be interested to know what type of seating those on here who have been ejected from a rib at speed were using.
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I'm sorry but if you are an 'experienced' person and you forget your kill cord then sell the boat
I hadnt realised how many perfect people there were in this world. I'm sure the rest of us mere mortals are in awe!
Radio kill cords-used some on a demo boat at a show a good few years back and I'm sure the technology has improved since - but I hated them, tested mine and found it didnt always work-refused to continue wearing it and went back to the piece of string.
Were to wear it? Round the wrist and it gets tangled in the wheel boss. Round the leg is our normal but I have seen the cox'n come out of the seat and end up head down/legs up in the bottom of a (coastguard!) rib at speed and his legs hadn't fallen far enough to pull the switch! I leaned over from the aft navigator's seat to pull the cord-scary esp when my daughter shouted from the stern to say sorry that she didn't have chance to shout man overboard. When we looked she was in the boat but hanging on to another crew member who was in the water.
I'm thinking the way forward for us may be a kill cord on every buoyancy aid/lifejacket on the boat and no spare. That way (unless they flip the switch) when you leave the helm the cord comes out and cant be started by another crew member unless he clips his personal kill cord into the switch, and he needs to actually have possession of the buoyance aid. On the other hand we havent had an issue on our boats - as yet!
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