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Old 06 May 2013, 16:18   #111
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Isn't the entire thing like seatbelts in cars?..they don't stop the accident but make the outcome better....?

Like Boris I was out in the fog today...jet ski lads with no idea out in fog..way to fast, families with no LJ in fog etc etc...

I guess the real issue for me is how can kill cords be made impossible to forget......sort that and maybe this sort if accident won't happen?
I have a eye on the top of my windscreen that I clip the hook of my kill cord on when I take it off to disembark, that way next time I climb aboard its right in my line of sight. It works for me (most of the time).

Been out today with my young family and could not get this dreadful chain of events out of my mind. But have to agree with those that have said "he without blame, throw the first stone"
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Old 06 May 2013, 16:19   #112
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Take a few moments to read the various tributes to the man you have described above.
Don't start trolling here. 2 people have died.Using it as a points scoring excercise isn't even remotely acceptable.
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Old 06 May 2013, 16:42   #113
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I hear from both sides.But what would have happened to the guy IF he had survived?
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Old 06 May 2013, 16:42   #114
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This is tragic, my thoughts are with the whole family. I've quietly spoken to all of my kids today. I want them to be aware that it happened and aware that it may have been avoidable and that we should always use the kill cord.

I can't fathom out how the boat could have ejected six people unless they had the helm hard across in a manoeuvre and then slipped and rammed the throttle forward because it looks like it was in the estuary, where it would have been relatively calm. Anyway, not my place to surmise.

God knows how many times I've manoeuvred the boat in sheltered waters, without a kill cord, especially if I need to get to bow lines or land on a dock or some such. I'm expecting backlash but wtf, it's the truth.
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Old 06 May 2013, 16:45   #115
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what a great idea!! Have always used the kill cord and fiddled with the clip. Think I will be going to the pet shop soon!!
We have (almost ) always used a large stainless carabiner attached to the KC. The benefit of this is that you can hook it into nearly anything without it coming undone . The nature of the hook means that it inherently "jams" when trying to pull it clear of a pocket or waistband unless it is deliberately opened. As already mentioned, it has to be made as convenient and easy as possible to use.

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I wonder if the steering had air in it? some thing caused the occupants to be ejected out rapidly> over compensation maybe? can this happen with Hyd steering that needs bleeding?
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my sympathies to the family from across the pond.

as tragic as this is it sure has me thinking. I am working up to a similar boat, 7m 250hp, which will be the most powerful boat I have ever owned. I can also say that I am not the best user of the kill cord. I will be thinking of this for a long time. I also appreciate the useful information on various KC setups and what can make it easier.

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Old 06 May 2013, 17:01   #118
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This tragedy has really made me think a lot as a relatively new ribster. The fella I bought my first rib off stressed the use of the kill chord but didn't really say where to attach it. I started by attaching it to a buckle on my lifejacket but it was a bit fiddly. Subsequently an instructor told me to wrap it round my leg but I have either killed the engine moving around the boat or it has slipped off.

I have forgotten to attach it at least 5 times over two years just because its a dangly bit of chord. I am not sure how I can make myself remember. I am thinking of attaching some flourescent tape around the clip and attaching it to the console or print myself a big sticker. I am responsible and safety conscious but I just don't find it as normal ad putting a car seat belt on. Hopefully good things will come out of the result of the investigation.
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I wonder if the steering had air in it? some thing caused the occupants to be ejected out rapidly> over compensation maybe? can this happen with Hyd steering that needs bleeding?
Matt - I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, but probably worth leaving to the MAIB. I don't always agree with their conclusions - but generally their investigations are fairly detailed rather than internet speculation.

In terms of pointing the finger of blame - don't even know who was at the helm.
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Have a look at the picture of the boat on the trailer in The Sun on the link below. There is a mark under the bow on the hull suggesting that it hit something perhaps. In the photo a police photographer is taking a photo of the kill cord still in place. On another photo further down you can see the kill cord hanging down too.

Speedboat tipped out family of six, killing dad and daughter in Padstow | The Sun |News

I'm new to boating having bought a 5yr old Cobra 7.5m with a Mercury 275 earlier in the yr. Done my PB2, Radio & day skipper courses. Wife & two boys have also done PB1 (with Alan of Tiger Bay Training in Cardiff- very good). We've been out a number of times in Cornwall & Wales now so just starting to get the hang of it. However, after hearing of this terrible accident I want to know why this (top of the range) 8.0m rib flipped its passengers out. Did it hit something, was there a fault, or could this happen to me and my family too?

Experienced ribsters, what boat handling causes a big sturdy rib to flip?
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