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Old 11 October 2012, 06:42   #1
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Towing without Brakes ?

Hi all,

I need to drag back my Osprey from Anglesey to Preston for some tube work in a few weeks, but the brakes on the trailer are scrap. I could look at replacing the brake system. Alternatively, without sounding wreckless, I was thinking of towing it back without brakes.

It's 7.8m with a 250hp and it will be behind a range rover. I've towed it to a local dealers a few times and it didn't give me any problems.

Do you think it would be mad to risk it ?
Would it invalidate any insurance claim should I crash or be crashed into ?
Do you know the penalty involved if you get stopped by the feds or VOSA ?

Thanks in advance !
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Old 11 October 2012, 06:52   #2
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Is that before or after an accident?

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I think with your rig you would be well over 750kgs. So you are leaving yourself wide open!

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Or, does anyone know of a company that would rent a suitable trailer ?
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Is that before or after an accident?

Fair one !! No it is then.
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Definitely + 1 for that
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Hi all,

I need to drag back my Osprey from Anglesey to Preston for some tube work in a few weeks, but the brakes on the trailer are scrap. I could look at replacing the brake system. Alternatively, without sounding wreckless, I was thinking of towing it back without brakes.

It's 7.8m with a 250hp and it will be behind a range rover. I've towed it to a local dealers a few times and it didn't give me any problems.

Do you think it would be mad to risk it ?
Would it invalidate any insurance claim should I crash or be crashed into ?
Do you know the penalty involved if you get stopped by the feds or VOSA ?

Thanks in advance !
It would be a bit daft but on the other hand I brought my Redbay back from Redbay HQ via Loch Lomond with no brakes no damper and no hand brake but the D4 never noticed
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the D4 never noticed
I think you're missing the point
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Not worth the risk, think of what is the worse thing that could happen and then consider your liabilities if that happens.

If you cant think of the worst thing then consider if you had a major accident and someone got killed or seriously maimed, would your insurance pay out, would there be legal issues to address, seeing as you have allready posted on here that your thinking about risking it and something happens you would be in big doo doo mess and probably potentially paying out large sums of money for the rest of your life.

Maybe check with your insurance company but I wouldn't advise that as they may put a little note on your details on their database.

Check whether it is legal to tow with an unbraked trailer, I doubt it considering the size and weight. I have a 7.5M cobra with a 200HP on back and I have to use a braked trailer.

On a side note if I were you I would try and get your post taken off as youve allready admitted potentially breaking the law and breaking your insurance conditions most likely . 8-)

hope this helps, cost of sorting out the brakes is minimal compare to the risks.
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Agree with the rest. Not going to do the whole 'holier-than-thou', 'it could be my daughter behind you when you crash' stuff, as we've doubtless all done silly stuff, but I'm sure you appreciate the laws are enforced for everyone's protection.

So, to your questions:
  • Yes, it would invalidate any claim if you were illegally towing (albeit aware or not), I'm sure you know insurance companies like to wriggle out of any payouts, whenever they can.
  • The graduated fixed penalty, deposits and immobilisation scheme (GFP/DS) was launched in 2009. Along with the Road Safety Act 2006, it gave VOSA and police powers to stop you, issue fixed penalties, issue on-the-spot fines, impound and/or immobilise vehicles to prevent any onward journey etc etc. There's lots of offences covered and all are driver related. If you did get pulled it'd likely be covered by the Construction and Use regulations. If they chose to prosecute you (highly unlikely) I think the max penalty is 5000 fine and/or 2 years in prison.
Not worth the risk IMO. Either get the brakes sorted (plenty of people on here that can advise if you chose to do it yourself), or as you say, hire a trailer. There's a few companies that hire boat trailers, down this way, but I'm not sure about Anglesey way. Google's probably your friend at this point.

Work out the costings too - if you can get the job done in a day, then maybe hiring's the way to go. If you have to hire the trailer once to get it down there and then again to pick it back up, then it may be more economically viable to fix the brakes. And, of course, when the brakes are fixed, yo can tow it around as much as you like
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