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Old 18 October 2006, 11:31   #31
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I had to tow my Prosport Diesel 6.5 Mt from Exmouth to Heysham for the ferry with my Audi 80 Diesel Estate

It was a nightmare the boat wagged the Audi all the way and proved the car to be gutless on even the small hills.

The biggest joke was trying to pull the rib out on the slip at Exmouth, took about 8000 miles off the tyres. So with a 1500 Kg rib think 4x4 or rear wheel drive

Now pull the boat with a 2.8 Pajero SWB and never need to use low box.

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What has power got to do with it? Popular misconception. A 750 horsepower racecar would lose the battle with an 80 HP tractor every time. Torque.. multiplied by low gearing and good traction is what you need…



What does my Leyland Daf turn out in terms of HP.. 130 ish?.. want to play tug of war with any of those cars you have listed?

Agree entirely Jono, but what I think CJL is trying to say is why put up with a 4x4 the whole time when a decent car can manage. A car is a compromise on the slip way -there is no doubt a 4x4 is the best tool for the job, but do you tow your rib to Sainsburys? Do you tow your RIB daily? Some may tow their RIB several times a week in which case a 4x4 may be worth it, however if you only have one car im not sure I would want that to be a Discovery or similar. Drove a Disco 300tdi I think (pre TD5) the other day and it may have tourque for the slip way, gutless on the road, the owner gets the perfect towcar for the once in a blue moon he takes the RIB out, the rest of the time he has to drive around a dog.
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A good 4x4 isn't a dog-you've just got to drive it like a 4x4 and relax. It's not going to handle so why make a knob out of yourself when you try and make it?

I drive my 4x4 everywhere.
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Agree entirely Jono, but what I think CJL is trying to say is why put up with a 4x4 the whole time when a decent car can manage. A car is a compromise on the slip way -there is no doubt a 4x4 is the best tool for the job, but do you tow your rib to Sainsburys? Do you tow your RIB daily? Some may tow their RIB several times a week in which case a 4x4 may be worth it, however if you only have one car im not sure I would want that to be a Discovery or similar. Drove a Disco 300tdi I think (pre TD5) the other day and it may have tourque for the slip way, gutless on the road, the owner gets the perfect towcar for the once in a blue moon he takes the RIB out, the rest of the time he has to drive around a dog.
Er not really. Why have monsterously large, slow 4x4, be the target of 4x4 nazis, be hated by Ken Livingston(not necessarily a bad thing!!), and uncomfortable (landies only!) when a car, with a bit of rope manages just as well?

Plus a 4x4 costs more to buy new normally. Its not necessary.

I had a perfect comparison 24months or so back at Weymouth and Portland SA. My friend had a Landie 110 Diesel (Not the td5 engine the older one) and I was in my golf. I tied the trailer to my car and let the trailer run down the slip and stayed parked on the flat. He backed his landie and trailer down the slip way. At this point i had a 6.7m Delta and he was pulling out a 6m Tornado. My golf pulled the Delta out soooo much easier than the landie.

My point - I didn't need the traction, torque, tyres, low ratio, diff locks or the 4x4. I coped easily even when paired against the best 4x4xfar!

Now I am sure that a 10m with 4x 250hp engines needs a 4x4/articulated truck but the bottom line is, most boat owners in the leisure market up to 6.5m market don't need a 4x4 at all.

Go on.....you know you want to rant back at me!!
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I drive my 4x4 everywhere.
I understand that, but what happens when you need to overtake someone, pull out of a nasty junction etc. Discovery 300tdi 17.2 0-60!!! I rest my case.
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I can't imagine a 110 ever struggling with a 6m RIB - mine will pull a 3.5 ton 9m RIB no probs - it will also tow a 5 ton dumper up a 1 in 3 - I know cos I have!!!

As to sluggish my 300tdi WAS until I tweaked it a bit.

Comparing an old 300tdi is a bit unfair anyway - try driving a V8 or a more modern diesel Range Rover or Discovery 3 - VERY easy to drive everywhere. In fact even more relaxing than most normal cars as you sit in far more comfort!!!
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I can't imagine a 110 ever struggling with a 6m RIB - mine will pull a 3.5 ton 9m RIB no probs - it will also tow a 5 ton dumper up a 1 in 3 - I know cos I have!!!

As to sluggish my 300tdi WAS until I tweaked it a bit.

Comparing an old 300tdi is a bit unfair anyway - try driving a V8 or a more modern diesel Range Rover or Discovery 3 - VERY easy to drive everywhere. In fact even more relaxing than most normal cars as you sit in far more comfort!!!
The new Landrover 2.7 TDI is a completely different propostition, I have driven a RR Sport auto and a Disco 3 Manual both fitted with this engine, and it was the Disco that impressed me most.
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I understand that, but what happens when you need to overtake someone, pull out of a nasty junction etc. Discovery 300tdi 17.2 0-60!!! I rest my case.

I'll admit that's slow. My Isuzu does it in less than that.
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I have towed lots of things with cars and 4X4s, and I agree with CJL. The comfort of a proper car is far better, plus when it is windy you don't get blown all over the road. The argument for the v8 landrover being quick is rubbish compared to a decent car (towing or not). The landrover is not designed for speed. I would however agree that for the slow maneuvering and the launching the 4X4 is better, I took one of my Volvos to the garage with the reversing engine mounting broken after reversing a boat a little to heavy for a car up a hill. The garage said they had never seen anyone manage to snap the reversing engine mounting before the bonnet held the engine in place.
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What about a V8 Dicovery or Range Rover then???
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