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Old 16 April 2006, 19:46   #11
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it's a petrol 2 litre-does being automatic make it less good/easy to tow with?
Auto actually makes it a bit easier-you use the box more when towing with a manual and it'll be a lot smoother ride for the boat. Easier to go slowly up a slipway too-no clutch to burn out.

You'll be fine.
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Old 17 April 2006, 13:01   #12
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How's this? Recently completed a 3550 mile round trip from MA to FL, @ 15.5 mpg with this setup. That's my SR 5.4 with an 800 lb Martin 16 sailboat riding inside. Car was a bit loaded down with tool, spares, baby gear and 12 days clothing, etc. Upgraded the trailer to brakes before the trip. Unfortunately the trailer brakes failed ~200 miles before we arrived home when a brake line fitting hit the trailer frame on a particularly bad road. It was late at night, with little traffic, so we continued and arrived home without incident. I estimated the total tow weight as ~2300 lbs +/-. Highway speed was usually ~70-75 mph, much above that the fuel economy would plummet due to the aerodynamic drag.

Interestingly enough, that 2.3l LPT Saab 9-5 (170 hp, plenty of torque) is rated 2000 lbs for a braked trailer in the US, 1800 kg (3960 lb) in Europe. US lawyers, no doubt! Having seen what Euopeans tow with a few years ago, US drivers are a bunch of sissies, wanting stupidly oversized vehicles for simple tows.
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Old 17 April 2006, 19:25   #13
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Yeah I bet none of you were doing 85 to 90 MPH towing. All this, "oh, I tow with a 1.8 liter Golf". I am sure it works, but I am sure you also sit in the slow lane puttering along up hill in 3rd gear. I can't imagine trying to merge onto a major motorway. We were driving through the Appalachian Mountains and the extra power was fantastic. Made us feel like we were towing nothing. Where economy is important I can see the sense but here where fuel is so cheap that we did 1342 miles for $200 dollars it really doesn't mean anything. Plus launching in spots where there actually isn't a slip, just grass and mud makes that low gear 4 wheel drive so indispensable. In fact they started charging $30 to launch at our local marina so we just pulled right next to the launch in the mud and muck and launched with no slipway at all. You should have seen how pissed they were.

No offense, but fuel is just so damn cheap here

P.S I am 10 beers deep. Gotta go
Er no!

My Golf and Audi A3 can happily tow at 80mph if I want and return 20 - 25 mpg in 6th gear! Plus it will happily leave most other towing vehicles at the lights!

The cost of the fuel isn't the issue, more just a simple case of why burn so much more than you need to??


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Old 18 April 2006, 08:55   #14
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Dctucker,
Thatís an impressive set up. I don't think I've ever seen a sailboat in a RIB on a trailer. How did you launch the thing?

Hey Chris,

Being sober and all now, I do agree we did burn amazing amounts of fuel whenever we went over 75MPH. But cruising we were in 16 to 19 MPG range not horrendous for the States. But as for leaving people at the lights I am not so sure about that. A 4.0l V6 would absolutely leave you at the lights if both cars were towing equivalent weights. I used to tow with a 91' Toyota Celica and it had more than enough power, but when the launch was slippery or very steep it would slide all over getting the boat out. You know the feeling on a slippery launch when the front wheels start spinning and the car starts slowly sliding backwards. I guess the perfect vehicle would be something smaller and economical but also 4-wheel drive.

P.S. What really gets me here is the people that drive Ford Expeditions(5689 lb vehicle with a tow rating of 8900 lb!!) and never tow a damn thing. Ever

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Thatís an impressive set up. I don't think I've ever seen a sailboat in a RIB on a trailer. How did you launch the thing?

Hey Chris,

Being sober and all now, I do agree we did burn amazing amounts of fuel whenever we went over 75MPH. But cruising we were in 16 to 19 MPG range not horrendous for the States. But as for leaving people at the lights I am not so sure about that. A 4.0l V6 would absolutely leave you at the lights if both cars were towing equivalent weights.

P.S. What really gets me here is the people that drive Ford Expeditions(5689 lb vehicle with a tow rating of 8900 lb!!) and never tow a damn thing. Ever

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Easy. Both boats were hoist launched. Only problem I had with retreiving the sailboat was that I had taken the keel lift system out to save drag while racing, and the first hoist I tried wasn't tall enough for the keel bulb to clear the rib! Had to go to the big 3 ton hoist.

I have absolutely NO interest in stoplight drag races while towing ANYTHING. Easy on the acceleration, steering and brakes, look around and try to anticipate everything is my motto. We never had any problems with on-ramp merges, even without hammering on the car. I towed that same rig with my 2.0L ~220 hp Saab convertible for about 30 miles. That car has been pretty seriously performance "enhanced" and I used to do stupid racey stuff with it, teasing Porsche drivers and such Now I have 2 kids and drive pretty sedately!

I live in a big sailing town, and there are loads of soccer moms driving Expeditions, Excursions, Suburans and such. IMHO, SUV=Stupid Useless Vehicle unless you need to tow 3500+ lbs, which I've done plenty of, with smaller SUVs like Xterras and Four Runners. The difference in attitudes towards tow vehicles in the US vs. Europe really is startling. I was in Holland for an Olympic Classes regatta a few years ago and was amazed by what Europeans would tow big (3000 lb) sailboats with. It really opened my eyes to what an adequate tow vehicle was. On a sailing BB I'm on there was a recent discussion on towing an 1800 lb sailboat (>3000 lb tow) short distances and wether a Honday Odyssey rated at 3500 lb was adequate... Most US recommendations were for a big SUV
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Er no!

My Golf and Audi A3 can happily tow at 80mph if I want and return 20 - 25 mpg in 6th gear! Plus it will happily leave most other towing vehicles at the lights!

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Is that safe? I never go over 55 when I am towing by boat. I thought there was law setting a speed limit for trailers / caravans.

Even if there isn't, I don't think the wheels on trailer are fit for high speeds are they?

Also

I saw a link on here to a video of a car pulling a caravan up a hill and then careering back down again. So funny. Anyone remember the link?
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Everyone should know this! 60mph on dual carriageway or motorway (inside two lanes only) or 50mph on a single carriageway.
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Everyone should know this! 60mph on dual carriageway or motorway (inside two lanes only) or 50mph on a single carriageway.
I certainly know it!!

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Even if there isn't, I don't think the wheels on trailer are fit for high speeds are they?

Most trailers have van tyres fitted to them. I have previously had the wheels ballanced on my trailers to give a smoother ride as well. It makes a big difference when towing something light such as a laser dinghy.

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