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Old 01 October 2003, 13:57   #1
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Tornado owners - a question

Tornado owners - a question
Quick question/observation for Tornado owners.

I have undertaken 4 RNLI Sea Checks recently on Tornado RIBs and every one of them has had the wrong Nav lights fitted -they each had a tricolour - but no allround white.

Are these four just unlucky or have you had/seen the same?

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Is a tricolour allowed on a power boat?
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and if you do Humbers the nav lights/all round white never have 1m seperation cos the red and green are far too high on their A frames!
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Is a tricolour allowed on a power boat?
They are strictly meant to be mast head lights for stickboats, but I have quite often seen them on RIBs and sportsboats -- presumably because they are neat and easy to fit.

They are undoubtedly better than nothing, although they do not comply with the regulations.

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They are strictly meant to be mast head lights for stickboats, but I have quite often seen them on RIBs and sportsboats -- presumably because they are neat and easy to fit.

They are undoubtedly better than nothing, although they do not comply with the regulations.

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and if you do Humbers the nav lights/all round white never have 1m seperation cos the red and green are far too high on their A frames!
It's often difficult to get the 1mtr. distance on a rib and keep the light visible. Some ribs I've seen have the lights so low that in a beam sea it must be a case of 'now you see me, now you don't'.
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Totally agree that it is better than nothing but it has serious implications for anyone driving a boat at night with a tricolour.

Scenario: Your RIB has a tricolour (and thus at night is a yacht under sail) and is showing its starboard light to my RIB (you are moving left to right in front of me). As a you are a yacht I turn to port to pass astern, as a powerboat you turn to pass astern of me as I am the stand on vessel in your eyes and *!*!

The point about light separation is valid too but is obviously a practical issue on many boats however does not misstate what the boat is. It does strike me as slightly strange that so many boats from a major manufacturer were factory fitted with the wrong lights

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Totally agree that it is better than nothing but it has serious implications for anyone driving a boat at night with a tricolour.
I actually think that this is pretty unlikely in practice
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Scenario: Your RIB has a tricolour (and thus at night is a yacht under sail) and is showing its starboard light to my RIB (you are moving left to right in front of me). As a you are a yacht . . .
Although theoretically correct, I can't really see this happening in the real world. It would be a very small yacht with a masthead about 2 metres above sea level!
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I turn to port to pass astern, as a powerboat you turn to pass astern of me as I am the stand on vessel in your eyes and *!*!
Turning to port for collision avoidance opens up a whole different can of worms

I'm not suggesting that it's OK to show the wrong lights though. There's simply no need to get it wrong. On any RIB with a decent sized A-frame it is perfectly feasible to show the correct lights in the correct configuration.

Have you asked Tornado for their views on this? I've forwarded the URL of this thread to them for their info.

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Nav Lights

What are the official directives on Nav lights. I currently have a 4m RIB with an A frame. I have 3 lights that were already fitted when I bought the RIB. It has a Red light on the port side corner of the A Frame, a green light on the starboard corner and white all-round light in the top middle. The A Frame is just under 1m across.
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Will be interesting to hearing Tornado's comments!

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Although theoretically correct, I can't really see this happening in the real world. It would be a very small yacht with a masthead about 2 metres above sea level!
You can actually argue this both ways. A RIB close to you showing a tricolour could actually look further away for the very reason that the lights do appear so close to the water, a reasonable interpreation being that as a masthead light it must be some distance away to appear that close to the water (having re-read that three times i'm still not convinced the sentance makes sense - but my english doesn't get any better!). The net result is that the craft is far closer to you than you think as you start to act as the give-way vessel.

A good ripost to this is that if you are that close that it matters that much then you have got it rather wrong anyway would be a fair point. However in areas where there are lots of background lights and moving craft are quite difficult to pick up it does happen - albeit nice & slowly. Equally whilst you state it is unlikely to occur in practice i'm not sure i agree. I've had plenty of scenarios where when preparing to act as a give way or stand on vessel at night it has become apparent that what I thought I was looking at has transpired to be a very different type of craft - a common one being the yacht with every nav light/anchor light imaginable switched on

At the end of the day though the best bet is always to stay well clear of absolutely everything else at night.

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What are the official directives on Nav lights. I currently have a 4m RIB with an A frame. I have 3 lights that were already fitted when I bought the RIB. It has a Red light on the port side corner of the A Frame, a green light on the starboard corner and white all-round light in the top middle. The A Frame is just under 1m across.
These sound just fine, you should be able to switch them so that the allround white acts on its own as an anchor light too.

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