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Old 01 September 2008, 19:05   #31
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There are no controls over what they stick on their hulls.. period...
thats not strictly speaking true - have you asked Yorkshire (?) trading standards to comment if you believe the boats are incorrectly labelled? IIRC the boat you had an "issue" with was Cat B, so the notified body should have been involved in the approval process and I think on an ongoing basis to 'ensure' conformance.
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thats not strictly speaking true - have you asked Yorkshire (?) trading standards to comment if you believe the boats are incorrectly labelled? IIRC the boat you had an "issue" with was Cat B, so the notified body should have been involved in the approval process and I think on an ongoing basis to 'ensure' conformance.
I hardly think the'yd be interested, and no body could enforce what is intangeable at the best of times, untill there is an accident, caused by a failure which could prove their negligence. Fortunately I saw mine coming before it put anyone at risk
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FWIW.... I have a 1995 UK built Ribtec 645 that is rated for 250hp

When it was new it was rigged with 2 x 90hp and now, thank to a previous owner, has a 130hp Honda

The Honda weighs 229kg.... I can (and probably would if I had the dosh) get an E-Tec 250Hp that weighs 238 kg.... So in my simplistic world - i.e. after too much wine - I can't help but think that, certainly for older RIBS - it's as much a weight issue as anything.

There's no doubt that, as others have already commented on the hull shapes of the older Ribtecs, mine could do with somewhat more than 130hp to shift it's deep and heavy arse !

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I beg to differ. Although they may not come to the same conclusion that you did that it is incorrectly plated. But at the very least someone sniffing around may make whoever is involved in those decisions at the manufacturer put more thought into it. The reason I believe they will be "interested" (which is not the same as understanding) is that if an accident does happen the MAIB / prosecution will do some investigation - if they find that you wrote to trading standards highlighting an apparent breach of the RCD which they didn't investigate then heads would roll.

If you are going to bring it up everytime someone mentions engine size, or RCD ratings then its only reasonable that you should atleast attempt to pursue your concern through the official channel.
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[/LIST]Ok lets stop on point one .. I'm arguing that the manufacturer isn't coding their boats properly and who is to stop them ? There are no controls over what they stick on their hulls.. period... as its arbitrary by many accounts

When they get a CE mark.. it still is no qualitative measure on what the construction methods or the build quality of the hull are.. so why have it ??

And what is more frustrating, is.. how some retailers use it as a sales tool when plainly it isn't worth a monkeys !! that is a market con and it should be stopped !!

The whole system was intended as a leveller in Europe to harmonise standards and make sure you are getting what you pay for - Because of a complete lack of control it is ending up being a bit of a waste of time and abused by manufacturers who claim approval for 12 people on a 6 metre boat Cat C - Quite meaningless really and frustrating as a manufacturer following the system and paying a professional to do it for me!

Dealers who use the categories as sales tools are making use of what is available to them - you can't blame them, but the public haven't got time to do real research into the subject, and believe any "Official" rating of a product in a simplistic way - ie "B" is better than "C".

There must be differnet ways of calculating maximum power because niether of the "CE" surveyors have quoted that formula to us!
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Dealers who use the categories as sales tools are making use of what is available to them - you can't blame them, but the public haven't got time to do real research into the subject, and believe any "Official" rating of a product in a simplistic way - ie "B" is better than "C".
Yep, not too dissimilar to every Automotiove manufacturer boasting how many Euro Ncap stars their cars have.

I suspect I have one of the older Ribs on the forum, C. 1977/8 built. It's plated for 60, with no mention of the max weight. It's Grandkids are rated for a 90 horse 4 stroke. So, does that mean I can hang two 4-stroke 30s on there just 'coz it has no weight limit on the plate? (and let's make sure I buy them from a manufacturer that the 30 is a downrated 40 Just to make sure I max out on weight for the discussion )

Of course not. I'd be lucky to get the transom to the water stil lattatched to the boat. We are in an ever increasing world of litigation and a culture of "if in doubt - SUE THEM". I suspect there is a bit of posterior protection of going on. Remember the opening comments in your GPS manual tells you not to rely on it for navigation, and that packet of roasted peanuts may contain nuts!


Out of idle curiosity, anyone out there with an O-Pro 2m Beam? How thick is the transom?
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It sounds like CE ratings are down to a certain element of trust and experience!!

Sure the CE rating does help but quite a few MAIB reports feature boats with CE plates that have fallen appart. Perhaps CE system should be upgraded to require each model of boat to have an independent inspection prior to going on the market? This would give the consumer a better guarantee that what their buying is fit for purpose.

Back in the real world..... clearly this will kill the small boat industry but if CE is to standardise and give peace of mind to the consumer and this is not working ........why bother with it all??
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